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    Re: Jaws' QB Rankings on ESPN



    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    It's all opinion but Stafford threw for almost 5,000 yds last year and was second only to Brees. Even with the struggles down the stretch...
    Unfortunately all those yards didn't add up to a lot of TDs
    Or wins.

    And only 20 TD's, more than half of his previous year output.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens75 View Post
    I am sorry if I am nitpicking but the throw in Denver was not a miracle but rather a hell of a play. Yes the db didn't play the ball correctly but that was a throw that Joe can make and honestly no one other than maybe Cutler, Rodgers or perhaps Stafford can come close to replicating. A miracle is something like throwing a hail mary and a receiver coming down with it amongst three defenders.

    Just my take
    Fair enough. I wasn't choosing my words carefully there. A miracle is overstating it, and I definitely agree that it was a hell of a play on Joe's part. But it was rather baffling that the safety wasn't in position to defend that pass given the situation. My general point is that luck plays a big role in determining Super Bowls, so on it's own, it's not a sufficient criteria for discounting one QB vs another.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    Fair enough. I wasn't choosing my words carefully there. A miracle is overstating it, and I definitely agree that it was a hell of a play on Joe's part. But it was rather baffling that the safety wasn't in position to defend that pass given the situation. My general point is that luck plays a big role in determining Super Bowls, so on it's own, it's not a sufficient criteria for discounting one QB vs another.
    I agree with your last sentence 100%.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    I'd argue for Ryan in the group with Flacco, Ben, and Eli. He's the only one in that group w/o a Super Bowl of course, but if not for one miracle play in Denver, Joe wouldn't have one either. Super Bowls are too easily swayed by too many factors.

    I know there's no love lost for Ryan on a Ravens message board, and his stats, if anything, overate his play given the offense he plays in and the receivers he has. But I still see him as a top QB..
    Its hard to give so much respect to Ryan when you have his nutegg staring at you in the face via Giants. His D scored 2 more points than him lol.

    Given that I still think he is a SB quality QB.

    Joe Is more achieved. He's been consistent in the playoffs. 3 AFCCG in the last 5 years. How many has Ryan been to? one?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens75 View Post
    I am sorry if I am nitpicking but the throw in Denver was not a miracle but rather a hell of a play. Yes the db didn't play the ball correctly but that was a throw that Joe can make and honestly no one other than maybe Cutler, Rodgers or perhaps Stafford can come close to replicating. A miracle is something like throwing a hail mary and a receiver coming down with it amongst three defenders.

    Just my take
    It's called the Mile High Miracle. It was pretty close to that IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Stafford at 9 for you?!?!

    I guess you didn't watch many Lions games last season.

    Easily, all of the four rookies deserves to be higher than him based on TD / INT ratio, QBR and Wins alone, let alone he's regressed terribly since his one good season.
    nope, didnt watch many. Know i saw the thanksgiving day game, saw lot of highlights, likely didnt watch many other games. Saw lots of RGIII games though, and I have absolutely zero doubt that he will regress significantly this year. In fact, I would even wager that NONE of "rooks, including cKaep" will EVER have as good a season as they just had(Luck ecxluded). RGIII/Wilson and kaepernick all benefitted to an ENORMOUS degree that the read option fad was new last year. Once defenses learn to defend it, all will be forced to play a more traditional style and will suffer greatly. I'd expect the sophmore slump to be as bad or sorse then Cam Newton's, acrross the board with those 3.
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    What other QB could launch it over 50 yards through the air, in negative degree weather, in the altitude, on the freaking money I might add,hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm???
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    What other QB could launch it over 50 yards through the air, in negative degree weather, in the altitude, on the freaking money I might add,hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm???
    Exactly, Joe went out there and made the throw that alot of players wouldn't/couldn't have made




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    Re: Jaws' QB Rankings on ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    What other QB could launch it over 50 yards through the air, in negative degree weather, in the altitude, on the freaking money I might add,hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm???
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    Re: Jaws' QB Rankings on ESPN

    I get a kick out of this debate.

    As soon as someone calls it a miracle play, people come out of the woodwork and defend Joe for some reason, as if calling it a miracle is somehow offensive.

    Look, it was a miracle. No, not a religious one, but most certainly a football one.

    Yes, Joe made one hell of a throw. And Yes, it was fortunate that the DB horrible misplayed the ball. This isn't an either / or debate.

    Calling it a miracle doesn't cheapen Joe's efforts in any way, shape or form. In fact, it only makes the play that much more amazing.
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    Re: Jaws' QB Rankings on ESPN

    Opens up Gunslinger, a term Favre seemed to embody... the balls he forced in, the small windows he threw to (also the interceptions...)
    Flacco grew his mustache and was calling himself a gunslinger.
    But we haven't really seen much.... that was one area that Cam kept tightly reined in.
    That doesn't mean that Joe is not a gunslinger, it just means that his stats won't really show it.

    Now I just wonder.... Cam out, Caldwell in, and we have 2 sterling Gunslinger examples.
    The Denver JBomb, and the Boldin window against Carlos Rogers

    Here is a link to DJGallo's gunslinger rating system
    http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/...linging-throne
    which gives a lot of weight ot interceptions.... of which Joe had none in this past post-season, so he flunks as a gunslinger but OMG can he sling it. We have a unique skill set that most people can't appreciate.... Jaws seems to understand far better than most what he is looking at, all Joe needs is the track record, and SB MVP sure doesn't hurt the resume gunslinger or not.
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    Re: Jaws' QB Rankings on ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    nope, didnt watch many. Know i saw the thanksgiving day game, saw lot of highlights, likely didnt watch many other games. Saw lots of RGIII games though, and I have absolutely zero doubt that he will regress significantly this year. In fact, I would even wager that NONE of "rooks, including cKaep" will EVER have as good a season as they just had(Luck ecxluded). RGIII/Wilson and kaepernick all benefitted to an ENORMOUS degree that the read option fad was new last year. Once defenses learn to defend it, all will be forced to play a more traditional style and will suffer greatly. I'd expect the sophmore slump to be as bad or sorse then Cam Newton's, acrross the board with those 3.
    I have a $50 bet with a 49er fan at work on this very thing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I get a kick out of this debate.

    As soon as someone calls it a miracle play, people come out of the woodwork and defend Joe for some reason, as if calling it a miracle is somehow offensive.

    Look, it was a miracle. No, not a religious one, but most certainly a football one.

    Yes, Joe made one hell of a throw. And Yes, it was fortunate that the DB horrible misplayed the ball. This isn't an either / or debate.

    Calling it a miracle doesn't cheapen Joe's efforts in any way, shape or form. In fact, it only makes the play that much more amazing.
    HR, I totally agree. AND let's look at the other side of this coin. IF Evans catches/holds onto Joe's pass in 2011, the Ravens would have made the Super Bowl. The debate cuts both ways... Bc




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I get a kick out of this debate.

    As soon as someone calls it a miracle play, people come out of the woodwork and defend Joe for some reason, as if calling it a miracle is somehow offensive.

    Look, it was a miracle. No, not a religious one, but most certainly a football one.

    Yes, Joe made one hell of a throw. And Yes, it was fortunate that the DB horrible misplayed the ball. This isn't an either / or debate.

    Calling it a miracle doesn't cheapen Joe's efforts in any way, shape or form. In fact, it only makes the play that much more amazing.
    Agreed. It was a miraculous play. I for one definitely thought we were very long shots to pull that game out before that down.

    But it is a play that not many other QBs could have pulled off. It took incredible arm strength, quick recognition of the situation, and a big set of balls. There were other much safer options to pick up good yardage - Boldin and Pitta both - and they'd have had to rush another play. But Joe recognized that Jacoby was going to blow by the CB. He also recognized the Safety was out of position. Bottom line is the Safety underestimated 1) how fast Jacoby is and 2) how strong Joe's arm is. Joe recognized it and accepted the challenge!




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