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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    What good is having someone voted in if they treat the people like slaves?
    thats why i was asking how he was voted in. doesnt seem to make sense for people to vote for a guy that treats them as such. was it fraudulent voting? false promises (not unlike our country)? or some other reason altogether? or does over half the country really believe hes the best guy for the job? the protestors numbers would suggest thats not the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    thats why i was asking how he was voted in. doesnt seem to make sense for people to vote for a guy that treats them as such. was it fraudulent voting? false promises (not unlike our country)? or some other reason altogether? or does over half the country really believe hes the best guy for the job? the protestors numbers would suggest thats not the case.
    From my understanding, Morsi was very popular around the time of the first revolt. He was on TV often, organizing protests, etc and the people were trusting him. But after the election, he reserved a bunch of powers that were not written into the constitution, effectively making him President for life and a tyrant.

    This was a big part of the current coup now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    From my understanding, Morsi was very popular around the time of the first revolt. He was on TV often, organizing protests, etc and the people were trusting him. But after the election, he reserved a bunch of powers that were not written into the constitution, effectively making him President for life and a tyrant.

    This was a big part of the current coup now.
    I see, basically what Dade said but for some reason i was missing the part where he flipped what was expected and what he ended up doing. getting democratically voted in and then immediately killing democracy is one way to certainly cause a revolt.
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    Watching the news this morning and I can't help but think about our old buddy Galen.

    Egypt is a disaster right now. I never thought it would ever be this bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Watching the news this morning and I can't help but think about our old buddy Galen.

    Egypt is a disaster right now. I never thought it would ever be this bad.
    It is really bad.

    And as bad as it is, I still don't know that we should really get involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
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    That is all wonderful and everything but Egypt was not set up for elections. There was only one national organization of any kind, the Muslim Brotherhood. Only Islamic Fundamentalism was organized for this national election, and they won. Then Morsi was on his way to quickly becoming a dictator.

    The only way they will have elections that matter is to first develop national parties.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    It is really bad.

    And as bad as it is, I still don't know that we should really get involved.
    I'd rather not. It's their problem, let them fix it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    It is really bad.

    And as bad as it is, I still don't know that we should really get involved.
    I really hope we don't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I really hope we don't.


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    I am not sure what people mean by "get involved," by I think we should continue to give the aid (money and military equipment) to the Egyptian military that we have been giving for the last 3 decades. There is almost no downside and significant upside to continuing the aid.

    Obviously I don't think we should get involved with troops or firing any missiles or dropping any bombs. But sending money for humanitarian purposes as well as military/police purposes seems sensible.

    Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood are, and have always been, unacceptable in terms of US interests.

    And if we simply ignore El-Sisi, the country, and region entirely, or waffle and waver and act like we have no idea what we want, then someone like Russia will step in and assert their influence.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I am not sure what people mean by "get involved," by I think we should continue to give the aid (money and military equipment) to the Egyptian military that we have been giving for the last 3 decades. There is almost no downside and significant upside to continuing the aid.

    Obviously I don't think we should get involved with troops or firing any missiles or dropping any bombs. But sending money for humanitarian purposes as well as military/police purposes seems sensible.

    Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood are, and have always been, unacceptable in terms of US interests.

    And if we simply ignore El-Sisi, the country, and region entirely, or waffle and waver and act like we have no idea what we want, then someone like Russia will step in and assert their influence.
    I certainly agree with what you're saying.

    When I say that I hope we "dont get involved", what I mean is that I hope we don't send in our own troops to try and make them figure this whole thing out. I firmly believe that the US cannot continue to get involved in other nation's issues. That is one of the biggest reasons why the rest of the world views the US as disrespectful, nosy and arrogant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I certainly agree with what you're saying.

    When I say that I hope we "dont get involved", what I mean is that I hope we don't send in our own troops to try and make them figure this whole thing out. I firmly believe that the US cannot continue to get involved in other nation's issues. That is one of the biggest reasons why the rest of the world views the US as disrespectful, nosy and arrogant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I am not sure what people mean by "get involved," by I think we should continue to give the aid (money and military equipment) to the Egyptian military that we have been giving for the last 3 decades. There is almost no downside and significant upside to continuing the aid.
    Other than the trillion dollar deficits that the US is currently running? Or not spending that money in our own country? Or picking the wrong side, again, and inspiring a new generation of terrorists?

    Obviously I don't think we should get involved with troops or firing any missiles or dropping any bombs. But sending money for humanitarian purposes as well as military/police purposes seems sensible.
    I have no problems with humanitarian aid, if and only if, the US taxpayers can be assured that the money is actually going to the people that need the help. Which is nearly impossible, I would admit.

    Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood are, and have always been, unacceptable in terms of US interests.
    So? There are hundreds of dictators, tyrants and non-democratically elected governments across the world that don't have the same interests as the US. And what exactly is our "interest" in Egypt?

    And if we simply ignore El-Sisi, the country, and region entirely, or waffle and waver and act like we have no idea what we want, then someone like Russia will step in and assert their influence.
    Which would then make it Russia's problem. And exactly how would this be a bad outcome for the US?

    To be clear. I am greatly disturbed when people have their rights, including their rights to life, trampled by foreign governments. But I by no means think that the US government needs to act on every single one of these occurrences.

    I would first like to see a clear foreign policy strategy that puts our interests first and foremost. One that does not include "an interest" in 130 other governments resulting in "aid", "military assistance", and troops all over the globe.

    Someone needs to tell me how the events in Egypt, as horrible as they are, is a direct threat to the security interests of the United States and requires immediate action.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Someone needs to tell me how the events in Egypt, as horrible as they are, is a direct threat to the security interests of the United States and requires immediate action.
    Short answer, they aren't. Long answer: Egypt could potentially become yet another safe haven for terrorism. That is of a big security interest for the USA.

    However, myself, like many here, favor not getting involved.




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