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    The key witness for the State is a walking trian wreck. Rolling her eyes and seeming annoyed with answering questions.
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    This is terrible. Martin's poor parents are holding their heads in their hands as the witness makes a joke of the whole process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    The key witness for the State is a walking trian wreck. Rolling her eyes and seeming annoyed with answering questions.
    And mumbling.

    At one point, she claimed Trayvon called Zimmerman a "cracker". Did the prosecution not vet this chick?!?! She's already perjured herself, tweeted about the case and told the world what color her "trial nails" will be.

    This is a circus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    And mumbling.

    At one point, she claimed Trayvon called Zimmerman a "cracker". Did the prosecution not vet this chick?!?! She's already perjured herself, tweeted about the case and told the world what color her "trial nails" will be.

    This is a circus.
    I'm sure they vetter her, but it just shows (to me) how thin their case is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    And mumbling.

    At one point, she claimed Trayvon called Zimmerman a "cracker". Did the prosecution not vet this chick?!?! She's already perjured herself, tweeted about the case and told the world what color her "trial nails" will be.

    This is a circus.
    Ahahahaha! Unreal!!
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    Ahahahaha! Unreal!!
    The way she acted and the things she said I bet she is trying to seem cool for her friends.

    I don't think Zimmerman should even be on trial from what I know about the case, but even still I feel terrible Martin's parents are watching this idiot be so... cavalier (not sure if that's the best word) with her attitude and testimoney in the case of the person they wnat convicted for "mudering" their son.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    The way she acted and the things she said I bet she is trying to seem cool for her friends.

    I don't think Zimmerman should even be on trial from what I know about the case, but even still I feel terrible Martin's parents are watching this idiot be so... cavalier (not sure if that's the best word) with her attitude and testimoney in the case of the person they wnat convicted for "mudering" their son.
    This.

    It's a horrible tragedy their son died and now they have to endure this nonsense?!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    The way she acted and the things she said I bet she is trying to seem cool for her friends.

    I don't think Zimmerman should even be on trial from what I know about the case, but even still I feel terrible Martin's parents are watching this idiot be so... cavalier (not sure if that's the best word) with her attitude and testimoney in the case of the person they wnat convicted for "mudering" their son.
    Well said. Truly is a shame.
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    Today's witness was a neighbor who saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman moments before the gun shots and he believed it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.
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    Maybe I am wrong but I don't think the prosecutors even wanna try this case. They seem so uninsterested in it. Also their witnesses suck. All they are doing is asking each person to confirm the evidence they've already have each person confirm before them.
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    I haven't been watching it. It's upsetting. I'll tell ya one thing, after the shooting I was
    scared to wear my hood up. I don't know if he's guilty or not unlike in Ray's case but
    it didn't have to happen. Those proponents are right.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Maybe I am wrong but I don't think the prosecutors even wanna try this case. They seem so uninsterested in it. Also their witnesses suck. .
    Just like the witnesses in Ray's case. They didn't amount to anything and changed
    their stories. EVen the co-defendants were acquitted while the charges vs Ray were
    dropped.




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    Well i think rhe police reports have said he confronted martin down the alley after he hung up. Theres a map of the path he took and where the killing was and its obvious that he at the very least met trayvon halfway. There was also a witness that said zimmerman was on top of him and said to call the police. I think what happened was zimmerman tried to detain him and succeeded but trayvon faught back and turned the tables. that would coincide with both testimonies. I think zimmerman thought he was doing the right thing but put himelf in that situation to have the tables turned. If thats the case, he could possibly be considered to have assaulted trayvon by apprehending him forcibly without reason or power, inwhich case i think he loses the ability to say it was self defense. However proving one way or another is going to be nearly impossible. 50 calls to 911 in a year and a half i think tells the story of zimmerman. Hes a busy body thats trying to do right in his mind but could have easily been pushed over the edge this time. Itll be interesting to see what the results are. Personally i think hes guilty, becuase theres noway trayvon is 20+ lbs heavier than him which i believe is commonly believed to make ones body a deadly weapon and i believe the scenario i said is probably cloaer to the truth. Tables were turned he got scared and reacted. Unfortunatley there is plenty shosing he was following and unhappy about the prospects of him getting away.

    HR i was curious if you thought she was being truthful or not. I do think she came off poorly in some ways considering the case but i dont think she was necessarily lying. Theres probably a good many reasons she would be short with law enforcement or people questioning her her honesty. Could have certainly went about it better. Also maybe you or your wife on whether it has to be unaminous or not. I know civil cases just have to be over 50% but wasnt sure of criminal and or the percentage required for verdict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    HR i was curious if you thought she was being truthful or not. I do think she came off poorly in some ways considering the case but i dont think she was necessarily lying. Theres probably a good many reasons she would be short with law enforcement or people questioning her her honesty. Could have certainly went about it better.
    I need to see the full testimony to get a gauge but I won't be able to do that until next week. I'm in Bmore this weekend on a mini vacation.

    I will say, from what I've read in news reports, she's an incredibly poor witness and she was billed by the prosecution as the star witness. She's already been exposed for lying by the defense so I don't think it's a big leap to think other parts of her testimony may be fabricated. She may have reasons for being less than truthful to the police but that has consequences. Justified or not, it will go to her credibility.

    The guy yesterday was a prosecution witness and he testified it was Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him up "ground and pound" style. That's two HUGE blunders back to back by the prosecution.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Also maybe you or your wife on whether it has to be unaminous or not. I know civil cases just have to be over 50% but wasnt sure of criminal and or the percentage required for verdict.
    In all 50 states, you must have a unanimous jury for conviction in a capital case.

    Now some states have a different jury size. TX has a 12 person jury but FL has just 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Well i think rhe police reports have said he confronted martin down the alley after he hung up. Theres a map of the path he took and where the killing was and its obvious that he at the very least met trayvon halfway. There was also a witness that said zimmerman was on top of him and said to call the police. I think what happened was zimmerman tried to detain him and succeeded but trayvon faught back and turned the tables. that would coincide with both testimonies. I think zimmerman thought he was doing the right thing but put himelf in that situation to have the tables turned. If thats the case, he could possibly be considered to have assaulted trayvon by apprehending him forcibly without reason or power, inwhich case i think he loses the ability to say it was self defense. However proving one way or another is going to be nearly impossible. 50 calls to 911 in a year and a half i think tells the story of zimmerman. Hes a busy body thats trying to do right in his mind but could have easily been pushed over the edge this time. Itll be interesting to see what the results are. Personally i think hes guilty, becuase theres noway trayvon is 20+ lbs heavier than him which i believe is commonly believed to make ones body a deadly weapon and i believe the scenario i said is probably cloaer to the truth. Tables were turned he got scared and reacted. Unfortunatley there is plenty shosing he was following and unhappy about the prospects of him getting away.
    JAB, it would seem to me from how closely I’ve been following this (ever since NBC edited the 911 tape my interest was peaked) that you have not been.

    For example, Zimmerman was on top after the shots were fired. I think there has only been one testimony out of all the people that have said they think Zimmerman was on top before they heard a shot.

    From all the evidence so far, everything seems to corroborate Zimmerman’s story that they met (some how) Martin either sucker punched or punched Zimerman in the nose, breaking it and knocking him down, then jumping on top and punched him in the face beating his head into the concrete. Which was confirmed by the only witness that came outside to see what was going on. After that went on for at least 26 seconds (from the infamous 911 tape where you hear screaming for 26 seconds) before hearing the shot.

    As far as the walking shit show that was the State’s star witness. One thing she said that stood out to me. When asked something about Martin confronting Zimmerman she said “no, if he would have done that he would have said (something to the affect) I gotta let you go cause I’m gonna confront this cracka” (paraphrasing). Now I know as a lawyer you generally don’t want to ask question you don’t already know the answer to, but I would have had to have asked how she knew that. Had this happened before? Or is that what happened this time and she is lying?
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