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07-14-2013, 12:58 AM #301
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Your point is that I wouldn't answer the question? That's a personal point about me that has nothing to do with GZ or the case. So ... bravo?
I am well aware of the tension that surrounded whose voice it was. That TM's father said it wasn't TM at first then changed his mind. Different experts said who it was or wasn't.
I didn't answer your question not because of what my answer may have been. I didn't answer it because it is petty. You are bursting for the chance to point and dance if I say, "I would have done x if y happened," when there is no proof that y happened.My Ravens Blog: Brittany Rants About Football
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.
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07-14-2013, 12:59 AM #303Veteran Poster
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Again, it is not my opinion that Martin waited around. It is fact. It is my opinion as to why. And the only reason I am providing that opinion is to rebut the argument that the confrontation was unavoidable for Martin.
It seems to me you keep reverting to a line of reasoning that implies I need to prove something, anything. But you need to prove something.
One of the ways you are trying to prove Zimmerman's guilt is by arguing he initiated an unwelcome and unavoidable confrontation with Martin. Besides there being no evidence that this is the case, there is evidence to show it was not unavoidable. And if it was avoidable but not avoided, then one can reasonably argue that there was no effort to avoid it. If one concludes there was no effort to avoid it, then it is a very short leap to it was wanted/welcome. (if you can choose whether to let XYZ happen or not, and you choose to let it happen, have you not chosen/welcomed XYZ?)
There are not dozens of equally-probable reasons why he waited right around the corner for 4 minutes, that is exactly the point. Let's list them. Each and every one, other than he wanted the confrontation have serious flaws or counter-arguments.Last edited by Haloti92; 07-14-2013 at 01:05 AM.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
I'm not bursting at the chance. I am proving a point that you are judging someone for what you would have done if you were in what was most likely the same scenario.
A little hypocritical no?
You also said, we have no way of knowing who was on top, that was basically proven to be a fact that it was Martin.
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07-14-2013, 01:17 AM #306
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If Situation Y happened to Zimmerman and Situation Y happened to me and Situation Y is I'm totally helpless and feel my life is in danger but I also have a gun, then it's possible if not probable that I would use the gun.
What you are not getting is why it doesn't matter if I say that. You do not win any points or prove an argument, because no one has established that Zimmerman was in Situation Y.
We may not always agree but perhaps, hopefully, you think I'm decently fair and not entirely stupid when I need to be. Don't you think if I honestly felt that a more innocent-than-guilty man thought his life were in danger and also happened to have a gun, why I could see it being OK if he used it and his more-guilty-than-innocent attacker ended up dying? This is Situation Y, which you are painting to have happened. Now you see my reluctance to answer, because this situation was not established to have happened or even to have been likely.
If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but as of a few hours ago I was hearing reports that this was not a huge factor in the decision because both prosecution and defense agreed it was hard to establish this.My Ravens Blog: Brittany Rants About Football
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07-14-2013, 01:21 AM #307Veteran Poster
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Let me give you a real story then throw in a hypothetical.
A friend mine was staying at my apartment overnight when I was in college, I had to go to work early in the morning before she had to get up to go to class s I told her when you leave, just lock the bottom lock to the front door.
So she leaves and walks to her car in the morning...when she gets to the car, she realizes that she forgot to lock my front door. Right as she turns around to go back to my apartment, a strange man starts walking towards her and asks if he can use her phone. She says no, but the guy just starts walking quickly towards her as she walks back to the entrance to my unit. She picks up the pace, he starts to run after her. She runs into the building with him running right behind her. She barely...barely is able to run up the steps and make it to and open my door and run in and gets the door shut right as he got there.
She calls me and calls the police...and of course I get the , well, he didn't at actually commit a crime stuff so there is nothing we can do. Now we all know what was about to go down if he got ahold of her. But you know, it's not a crime to chase someone with his intentions fully known.
Now, hypothetically, now, if she were to brake out the mace, brass knuckles, whatever out of her purse and hit him...or if a neighbor happened to open his door and slug the guy, no I don't feel as though the neighbor or my friend should be the ones that committed the crime and opened the door for someone to use deadly force as you say. Technically, everyone has a right to be in that parking lot as well. Doesn't make it right.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDAlthough Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
I'm just going to move on here. You get the pint I was trying to make even if you disagree with how I was trying to make it.
I'm over the petty bickering so when I say I' not trying to be an ass here, I mean it. That report is not even close. IT was a major point for the defense and they went to great lengths to all but prove it. Because it established Martin as the aggressor and that Zimmeran was in a very bad position to which he felt he had no choice but to pull the trigger to avoid further harm or death.
IT was the lone eye-witness that came out and said "STOP, I'm going to call police" who said he saw a man with a red jacket (Zimmerman had the red jacket) on the bottom. He also said that he thought the screams for help were coming from the bottom (which only makes sense) but it was too dark to see.
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07-14-2013, 01:24 AM #310
Re: George Zimmerman Trial
I have said several times I don't know who started confrontation/fight. I'm not basing my opinion on Zimmerman on that one event, let alone trying to prove his guilt or innocence which you said you are. You are siding with Zimmerman because you believe Martin wanted and started a confrontation, when there is no evidence to support that. It is simply you opinion not fact.
Yes you need to prove that Martin wanted a confrontation. That is your belief. I don't believe Zimmerman is guilty because he initiated an unavoidable situation. I have never said that. All I have ever said from the beginning is that there isn't enough evidence to support a conviction. You are the one claiming to know the intentions of the victim...therefore you should provide evidence to support your claim. But there is none...only your opinion on the most plausible explanation.Master of 'Gifs for dummies'
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07-14-2013, 01:29 AM #312
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