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Re: George Zimmerman Trial
I dont think the evidence is definitive in support of his claim. you do so right there we arent going to agree.
And as for you not wanting a guilty verdict, then I guess I am confused as to what you want or what we are arguing about. Are all the people that are "disappointed" in the verdict simply saying they are "disappointed" that there wasn't any evidence disproving Zimmerman's defense? And if so, why, if what really happened was Zimmerman acted in self-defense? Are you arguing that Zimmerman was guilty of the crime he was accused of but that there was not enough evidence to support a guilty verdict? If so, what "evidence" are you using to justify your feelings? Do you see what I am saying here?
No, I am not "doing the same thing as you." I am constraining myself to the limited evidence. It is not a matter of opinion that the dispatcher did not order Zimmerman to stay in his car. It is a fact. A fact verbalized by the dispatcher himself in official testimony; yet here you are saying that whether an order was given is debatable and a matter of opinion.
No one knows exactly how the incident played out. But we do know some things about how the incident played out, and the few relevant things we know corroborate Zimmerman's story. Like I said, people have to go way, way farther out of their way trying to claim Zimmerman was guilty of the crime he was accused of than the reverse. The question, to me, is why are people doing that? But I guess I don't care enough to keep this up.
We can agree to be confused by each others' stances. :)-JAB
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07-16-2013, 05:20 PM #374Veteran Poster
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There is no relevant evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's narrative. That really sums it up. None.
And if you think there is, you haven't mentioned it.
I have never talked about strength. I have talked about how you have none on your side, and the small the amount that exists supports (by not contradicting) Zimmerman's claim. Which means it is a farther reach (blind reach, really) to argue he is guilty.
I agree though, no chance of any progress towards an agreement here, that much is clear.
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07-16-2013, 08:13 PM #375
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I find this particularly relevant at times like this:
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."*
- Booker T. Washington“Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”
–Eleanor Roosevelt
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07-16-2013, 11:55 PM #378
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07-17-2013, 12:05 AM #379
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FYI, some of you would be really shocked to find out how little the black community respects the Sharptons and Jacksons.
They aren't some pied pipers that we follow around...give us a little more credit here...we realize them for what they are.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDAlthough Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.
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I mentioned that the FBI already said there was no bias in case. Just learned they said it
in a 12-page report and after interviewing 30 people. Yet, OBY has Holder investigaing it. I
thought the FBI was part of the Justice Dept.
Hannity's panel was hilarious with some distinguished and highly educated and well dressed
panelists from both races arguing whether or not civil rights charges should be filed. Quite
a heated argument and very entertaining.
Someone said there's a difference between racism and bias. HUH??
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07-17-2013, 07:41 AM #382
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I understand, but those two are only the poster boys there are many more.
How about Tavis Smiley's comments:
"Just another piece of evidence of the incontrovertible contempt that this nation often shows and displays for black men."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...#slide=2554392
University of Penn. Religious professor Athea Butler, "I know that this American god ain’t my god. As a matter of fact, I think he’s a white racist god with a problem.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...eligion-profe/
I think you could make a case for the many black athletes who have done the same as well. Granted I am sure they feel intense sympathy for the Martin family, but what other intention could they have in making racial comments other than to bring attention to their twitter accounts and ultimately themselves?
You could also include the entire NAACP for saying this trial was a race issue, when any attorney with even a modicum of judicial sense would recognize race had nothing to do with this trial.Last edited by Sirdowski; 07-17-2013 at 07:57 AM.
“Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”
–Eleanor Roosevelt
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07-17-2013, 08:11 AM #383Veteran Poster
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I appreciate that. Truly.
However, my problem (and the below is my problem in general, not with you personally, RW) with this whole sordid affair is how race was injected into it (by the media, by the race-hustlers, by the Martin family's attorneys, all of the above) where there was zero evidence it had anything to do with the issue at hand. Given the conditions (rain, darkness, Martin with his hood up) there is a good chance one or both didn't even know the race of the other. Hell, Zimmerman isn't even "white", if he is, then so is Obama by that definition.
But there it was, front and center, in our face, 24-hours a day. I am all for having an honest discussion on racism in this country, but the amount of energy, and frankly ill-will that was heaped on this one incident really did a disservice to all sides of that topic, imo.
Do we want to discuss SYG laws (even though that was not material in this case)? I am all for a thorough review of the legal uses of deadly force by citizens....and police for that matter...and the president for that matter (see, Drones). Sure, let's have THAT conversation.
Do we want to discuss the "reasonable doubt" standard with regards to defendants when the state really doesn't produce material evidence supporting their charges? Sure, let's have THAT conversation, too, but be careful what you wish for, because any lowering of that standard will come down massively on the minority that is already getting the short-end of the "justice process" in America. Or perhaps we think a 90% conviction rate is too low?
And while we are on that topic, let's talk about how Zimmerman got access to best lawyers money could by...without it, whether he thought he was guilty or not, he probably would have plea-bargained down to the manslaughter charge to avoid serious time. Gee, what defendants in society don't have access to that type of legal help? And some what to make it harder to defend themselves in court.
There were probably many other factors that could have been reasonably debated as a society in this case, yet we found ourselves at the lowest level, again. Shocking.Last edited by JohnBKistler; 07-17-2013 at 11:49 AM.
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Calypso Louie too aka Louis Farrakhan?
Not sure I'd agree about Jessie who earns a ton of money as head of the Rainbow
Coalition. I saw it for myself when I worked at Social Security on Green Street and he
spoke at a rally outside the steps.
There were hundreds of people there, mostly minorities that worshipped him. He's a
big dude.
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