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    I just don't understand the love for Ryan. He has arguably the best receiving corps in the game, he plays in a division filled with weak defenses, he plays over half his games in domes and he never plays cold weather games or in nasty elements. Flacco has never had consistent at the receiver position, never had even a very good receiving corps, never plays in domes, plays a lot of games in nasty weather and in the cold, and plays against excellent defenses almost every game. Matt Ryan plays in the most QB friendly system in the NFL and Flacco plays in a very, very tough situation for the QB to be successful and yet they have relatively comparable numbers and Flacco can actually get it done in the post season. It is extremely easy to demonstrate, given all of those facts, that Flacco has had the more impressive career so far.




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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    Oy, my peeps...

    Pleeeeeeez keep in the forefront of your mind the fact that the media's primary job--like that of everyone else in this Tiffany-twisted society--is to make money for their owners.

    They make money by selling ad space/time. What they can charge for it depends on the size & type of audience that see/hear/read whatever's in that slot. Audience depends on what surrounds that ad space/time.

    What surrounds that ad/space time is therefore oriented to attract an audience easily persuaded to part with their bucks for stuff that can be sold for as much as possible over & above what it costs to make.**

    Therefore all sports media pander to the fans either by telling most of them what they want to hear (e.g., pimping teams & players from teams with "national followings" consisting of refugees from the economically-depressed old home town [think Mullethead Diaspora], bandwagon fans from bygone eras & current bandwagoners), or by letting the inmates run the asylum (e.g., via "fan polls").

    And if you're a columnist/onscreen personality, you keep your job by generating the audience for those ads. You can do that in one of 3 ways: being right most all the time, shilling for the teams/players the audience loves (while crapping on the teams/players they love to hate), or putting out outrageous crap to make the blood boil. The first method is hard; you actually have to know something & work at it. The latter two methods are easy & often readily combined. Guess which group most commentators fall into.

    Duh.

    ** NB "Fan loyalty" crap is about as marked up over its intrinsic value as anything you can name. Or did you think that "Super Bowl XLVII Champions" hat was actually worth $35? But it usually sells itself without advertising so it doesn't count here...




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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    If Joe Flacco has similiar individual playoff success next year and wins the Super Bowl, he will be a top 10 quarterback in NFL history.

    18-2 TD/INT ratio in playoffs the past 3 years. That's with two dropped game winning touchdowns. Montana had a 3 year stretch where he went 22-3. Other than that, nobody else has had the same caliber of success in a 3 year span. If Flacco continues that next year, and wins another Super Bowl, Flacco will be exploring unchartered territory.
    That is not even slightly possible.

    I have no problem with Joe's ranking overall, but I absolutely have a problem with who is ahead of him. We've been over the Ryan thing hundreds of times so no use getting into it again. RGIII wasn't even the best rookie QB last year, yet he's a top 5 QB suddenly?

    Watch a game of his, nearly every pass he hits is to a wide open receiver because everyone sold out to stop him and Morris running their pistol gimmick. Also, every "long" pass I can recall him hitting was a 10 yard-ish pass where the receiver ended up getting a tremendous amount of YAC. Ridiculous that he is this high.




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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    Yea I'm tired of getting worked up about this stuff anymore. (although sometimes I can't help it if it's TOO outrageous) Lets face it..... we will never be the apple of the national media's or fan's eye or anyone's sentimental favorite or anything like that. So be it. Someone here has a closing signature that says something like "Everyone hates us and we don't care." Yea.... that's pretty much where I am now.

    All I know is I'll take my QB against anyone else's anyday cause all he does is win.




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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    I hate lists period. Lists are extremely stupid for a team sport.




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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpiderWebb View Post
    That is not even slightly possible.

    I have no problem with Joe's ranking overall, but I absolutely have a problem with who is ahead of him. We've been over the Ryan thing hundreds of times so no use getting into it again. RGIII wasn't even the best rookie QB last year, yet he's a top 5 QB suddenly?

    Watch a game of his, nearly every pass he hits is to a wide open receiver because everyone sold out to stop him and Morris running their pistol gimmick. Also, every "long" pass I can recall him hitting was a 10 yard-ish pass where the receiver ended up getting a tremendous amount of YAC. Ridiculous that he is this high.
    If RG3 has a halfway decent year this year, he'll be #1 next year. Even more than Kap, he's got this rockstar persona to the media and the Redskins fans. I swear, they believe he can walk on water.
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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpiderWebb View Post
    That is not even slightly possible.

    I have no problem with Joe's ranking overall, but I absolutely have a problem with who is ahead of him. We've been over the Ryan thing hundreds of times so no use getting into it again. RGIII wasn't even the best rookie QB last year, yet he's a top 5 QB suddenly?

    Watch a game of his, nearly every pass he hits is to a wide open receiver because everyone sold out to stop him and Morris running their pistol gimmick. Also, every "long" pass I can recall him hitting was a 10 yard-ish pass where the receiver ended up getting a tremendous amount of YAC. Ridiculous that he is this high.
    What do you mean? Look at his playoff stats between 88 and 90. I'm talking about his td/int ratio, not his W/L record.




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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    The biggest travesty about the list is the fact that Jimmy Graham isn't on there AT ALL. WTF?




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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    Oy, my peeps...

    Pleeeeeeez keep in the forefront of your mind the fact that the media's primary job--like that of everyone else in this Tiffany-twisted society--is to make money for their owners.

    They make money by selling ad space/time. What they can charge for it depends on the size & type of audience that see/hear/read whatever's in that slot. Audience depends on what surrounds that ad space/time.

    What surrounds that ad/space time is therefore oriented to attract an audience easily persuaded to part with their bucks for stuff that can be sold for as much as possible over & above what it costs to make.**

    Therefore all sports media pander to the fans either by telling most of them what they want to hear (e.g., pimping teams & players from teams with "national followings" consisting of refugees from the economically-depressed old home town [think Mullethead Diaspora], bandwagon fans from bygone eras & current bandwagoners), or by letting the inmates run the asylum (e.g., via "fan polls").

    And if you're a columnist/onscreen personality, you keep your job by generating the audience for those ads. You can do that in one of 3 ways: being right most all the time, shilling for the teams/players the audience loves (while crapping on the teams/players they love to hate), or putting out outrageous crap to make the blood boil. The first method is hard; you actually have to know something & work at it. The latter two methods are easy & often readily combined. Guess which group most commentators fall into.

    Duh.

    ** NB "Fan loyalty" crap is about as marked up over its intrinsic value as anything you can name. Or did you think that "Super Bowl XLVII Champions" hat was actually worth $35? But it usually sells itself without advertising so it doesn't count here...
    Winner! Shut the thread down now.




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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    Quote Originally Posted by somedumbguy View Post
    After watching the Joe Flacco video, my only thought was " What is the deal with Ike Taylor's head?"
    Every time I see that cat in-studio, I marvel at that dome. It's incredible.
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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    Quote Originally Posted by callahan09 View Post
    I just don't understand the love for Ryan. He has arguably the best receiving corps in the game, he plays in a division filled with weak defenses, he plays over half his games in domes and he never plays cold weather games or in nasty elements. Flacco has never had consistent at the receiver position, never had even a very good receiving corps, never plays in domes, plays a lot of games in nasty weather and in the cold, and plays against excellent defenses almost every game. Matt Ryan plays in the most QB friendly system in the NFL and Flacco plays in a very, very tough situation for the QB to be successful and yet they have relatively comparable numbers and Flacco can actually get it done in the post season. It is extremely easy to demonstrate, given all of those facts, that Flacco has had the more impressive career so far.
    Matt Ryan is a very good football player. He does what his coaches ask him to and he has won a lot of football games. Matt Leinart had great greceivers and nice weather in Arizona and was playing against some sucky defenses and could not win football games. The NFL is littered with QB's put in QB friendly situations and sucked a lot worse than Matt Ryan. I have no problem where he is ranked, either 2 spots ahead or 2 spots below, its basically saying they are about the same calibre player which is probably about right. Matt's biggest problem right now is his conference is not getting any easier. The NFC West has two teams that have sold out to win this year. The Saints, Packers and Giants always find a way to be dangerous. I am an AFC guy but objectively, the NFC is a lot deeper conference right now.

    Joe and Matt play different styles in different divisions against different opponents. They can both be different players and still both be really good.




  12. #27

    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Fan Dan View Post
    To further illustrate why one should not care about this dumb opinion list, I would remind everyone that the rankings in this particular dumb opinion list are based on how voters think the player will perform in 2013. Past stats, playoff appearances and even Super Bowls have nothing to do with it beyond how the voter thinks the player will improve or decline in the coming year.

    I wish we had a "tits-on-a-bull" icon to express how we feel about dumb opinion lists like this lol.
    The only thing about this Top 100 NFL 2012 list is that it is voted on by the NFL players. So it isn't just a bunch of homers trying to get votes for their teams players, that's what the the overrated and underrated buttons next to the video are for.


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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    It is always surprising to me when a poster flips because some idiot(s) made a list or said something bad about the Ravens while we routinely sad bad things about every oppsing team and player. Not to mention the conspiracies of NFl, and random tv networks against us.

    That being said this list is filled out by NFL players, less than half of which probably took it seriously, DURING THE SEASON AT SOME RANDOM TIME. The media darlings taht are frequent story lines always get too much credit, but it usually fades. See : whats his name the panthers QB

    98% of this stuff is bullshit. They have to write something and more and more they just make stuff up. Don't take any of it at face value. Lots of guys are writing about the decimated ravens defense and the problem we have with McKiinie going to report out of shape. Its bullshit. Don't dignify it by repeating it




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    Quote Originally Posted by duffybr View Post
    It is always surprising to me when a poster flips because some idiot(s) made a list or said something bad about the Ravens while we routinely sad bad things about every oppsing team and player. Not to mention the conspiracies of NFl, and random tv networks against us.

    That being said this list is filled out by NFL players, less than half of which probably took it seriously, DURING THE SEASON AT SOME RANDOM TIME. The media darlings taht are frequent story lines always get too much credit, but it usually fades. See : whats his name the panthers QB

    98% of this stuff is bullshit. They have to write something and more and more they just make stuff up. Don't take any of it at face value. Lots of guys are writing about the decimated ravens defense and the problem we have with McKiinie going to report out of shape. Its bullshit. Don't dignify it by repeating it
    Yet it always works. Nothing gets more attention or comments than some list, especially if they throw a few ridiculous names on it. It's like baiting a trap
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    Re: Matt Ryan and RG3 ranked ahead of Joe Flacco on NFL Top 100 list

    It's fine, dude. Ed Reed was the number one ranked safety on this list -- do you honestly think he deserves that? No. But I don't hear people here bitching about that.




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