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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)



    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    If the Patriots were willing to incur a cap hit of 7.5 million while cutting a guy whose one of the best at his position, I'm willing to hop, skip and jump to the conclusion that he's boned no matter how this turns out.
    I also wonder if the Pats know something we don't for that big a cap hit.

    More obviously, though, they were anxious and eager to preserve whatever illusion of the "Patriot Way" they believe in.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Arrogant Pats fans will try to distinguish this from the Lewis situation by claiming the Patriots are somehow more moral because they chose to cut ties with someone involved in a murder.

    If this makes them somehow feel superior, then good for them.

    But it does not change the fact that the same issues that caused Hernandez to be red-flagged in the draft are the same issues that got him arrested. The Patriots were aware of these issues and took the chance.

    This Hernandez situation is much more foreseeable in light of his history than was the Lewis situation. Both were surprising, but one is much more in line with one person's character than the other.
    There is potentially another huge difference here. RAY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. After the fact, yes, he lied, probably due to a reasonable fear of retribution for being a rat. But on the night in question, the only thing anyone who was there said he did was try to get his group the hell out of there and put a stop to a melee. I am pretty sure Ray was completely honest with Ozzie and Art, told them what he did and didn't do, and they believed him. And THAT is why they unequivocally backed him.

    Now, we have no idea what Hernandez did. And we have no idea what he told his employers. But my guess is that the Pats know, either from Hernandez' on mouth or from sources in law enforcement, some information that we haven't found out yet. And I am guessing (yes, guessing) that we are going to find out that he did do something. Whether he killed a guy or was an active participant in the guy eventually dying, I think he has been released because the Pats know he is culpable.

    And again, I admit that I am only guessing here, and that's all any of us can do at this point.
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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Not this quickly...Not only was Ray initially charged with murder, but the trial for it had started...the obstruction charge wasn't offered until the prosecutions weak case completely fell apart after the limo drivers testimony during the trial.

    That whole process took a couple months.

    We are still in the infant stages with Hernandez.


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    I remember Art Modell saying that he went to Atlanta and met with Ray. We'll never know what was said but Art came out of that meeting saying that he believed that Ray was not guilty and that he was going to support him 100%.

    Hernandez went to the Pats facility last week and was told to leave. Kraft obviously has his doubts about the player and doesn't want him on his team. As an owner of a team you can handle it any way you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    There is potentially another huge difference here. RAY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. After the fact, yes, he lied, probably due to a reasonable fear of retribution for being a rat. But on the night in question, the only thing anyone who was there said he did was try to get his group the hell out of there and put a stop to a melee. I am pretty sure Ray was completely honest with Ozzie and Art, told them what he did and didn't do, and they believed him. And THAT is why they unequivocally backed him.

    Now, we have no idea what Hernandez did. And we have no idea what he told his employers. But my guess is that the Pats know, either from Hernandez' on mouth or from sources in law enforcement, some information that we haven't found out yet. And I am guessing (yes, guessing) that we are going to find out that he did do something. Whether he killed a guy or was an active participant in the guy eventually dying, I think he has been released because the Pats know he is culpable.

    And again, I admit that I am only guessing here, and that's all any of us can do at this point.
    I hear ya.

    But some Pats fans will try to wiggle out of this situation with the Patriots smelling like roses and being holier than thou, while at the same time trashing the Ravens for standing behind Lewis.

    Like I said: the Patriots willfully drafted a player with character issues. Thus, this Hernandez situation is shocking, but not surprising in view of the issues that he was red-flagged for in the draft.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I remember Art Modell saying that he went to Atlanta and met with Ray. We'll never know what was said but Art came out of that meeting saying that he believed that Ray was not guilty and that he was going to support him 100%.

    Hernandez went to the Pats facility last week and was told to leave. Kraft obviously has his doubts about the player and doesn't want him on his team. As an owner of a team you can handle it any way you want.
    Good point GOTA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I remember Art Modell saying that he went to Atlanta and met with Ray. We'll never know what was said but Art came out of that meeting saying that he believed that Ray was not guilty and that he was going to support him 100%.

    Hernandez went to the Pats facility last week and was told to leave. Kraft obviously has his doubts about the player and doesn't want him on his team. As an owner of a team you can handle it any way you want.
    I understand that, but again it's speculation.

    BTW...I have absolutely zero problem with him getting cut...that's up to employers.

    I just personally am not jumping to conclusions yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I remember Art Modell saying that he went to Atlanta and met with Ray. We'll never know what was said but Art came out of that meeting saying that he believed that Ray was not guilty and that he was going to support him 100%.

    Hernandez went to the Pats facility last week and was told to leave. Kraft obviously has his doubts about the player and doesn't want him on his team. As an owner of a team you can handle it any way you want.
    Again, the difference to me is Ray wasn't drafted with serious character issues like Hernandez was.

    Therefore, most reasonable people would be more lenient with a guy that didn't have such a history.

    Whereas Lewis' involvement could fairly be labelled wrong place wrong time, Hernandez's involvement at least appears to be somewhat premeditated.

    One of the most important aspects of why Lewis wasn't released and Hernandez was is that Hernandez was already red-flagged for gang/violent lifestyle. Therefore, he should naturally have a much shorter leash, especially when that lifestyle manifests itself like it did in this situation.




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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    I hear ya.

    But some Pats fans will try to wiggle out of this situation with the Patriots smelling like roses and being holier than thou, while at the same time trashing the Ravens for standing behind Lewis.

    Like I said: the Patriots willfully drafted a player with character issues. Thus, this Hernandez situation is shocking, but not surprising in view of the issues that he was red-flagged for in the draft.
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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 23s
    Former Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez is scheduled to be arraigned at 2 p.m. ET


    "Don’t be surprised if, come 2:00 p.m. ET or at some point thereafter, Hernandez is charged with something worse than obstruction of justice."




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Arrogant Pats fans will try to distinguish this from the Lewis situation by claiming the Patriots are somehow more moral because they chose to cut ties with someone involved in a murder.
    Right, they'd rather have choirboys like Talib on their team.
    I've upped my standards. Up yours.




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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Again, the difference to me is Ray wasn't drafted with serious character issues like Hernandez was.

    Therefore, most reasonable people would be more lenient with a guy that didn't have such a history.

    Whereas Lewis' involvement could fairly be labelled wrong place wrong time, Hernandez's involvement at least appears to be somewhat premeditated.

    One of the most important aspects of why Lewis wasn't released and Hernandez was is that Hernandez was already red-flagged for gang/violent lifestyle. Therefore, he should naturally have a much shorter leash, especially when that lifestyle manifests itself like it did in this situation.

    You have to look beyond the draft. It's very true that Hernandez fell into the lower rounds because of his attitude but the Patriots still felt comfortable enough to give him a huge extension. All they were risking before was a 5th round pick and hundreds of thousands of dollars. They upped that risk that year to $12.5 million in bonuses and a huge base contract. If they had any thought that Hernandez was the same risk he was coming out of college they never would have offered that extension.
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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

    SXMNFL is reporting that Hernandez is going straight to Bristol County jail immediately after arraignment.
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    Tom Curran was on the Dan Patrick Show, talking about this yesterday. I saw the clip on nbcsports.com. Curran actually took the red flags from the draft a step further. He talked about how the Patriots drafted three Gators that year, much off of the word put in for them by Urban Meyer. He said, point blank, that Brandon Spikes has been a pain in the ass, to put it mildly, while also mentioning Jermaine Cunningham.
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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    I hear ya.

    But some Pats fans will try to wiggle out of this situation with the Patriots smelling like roses and being holier than thou, while at the same time trashing the Ravens for standing behind Lewis.
    The part of your thesis where Pats fans are boils on the ass of fandom I agree with whole-heartedly.

    And yes, I do believe (and Vinny Cerrato said today that he knows for sure) that several teams had Hernandez completely off of their boards because of character concerns. Apparently the Pats weren't as concerned as those teams were.
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