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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)



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    Quote Originally Posted by rlh445 View Post
    lol man patriots fans are 'classy' to the end. look at this quote (one of many) from their board:



    their dismal offseason couldn't have happened to a better bunch of fans.
    I saw this.

    It is a hilarious attempt to deflect from their crappy situation. More of the arrogance and elitist behavior of Patriots fans. As if they are now better than the Ravens for releasing a player instead of standing behind them, before a court is able to rule.

    I am not absolving Lewis of his involvement, but there are more differences between the scenarios than Patriots fans might like to admit.

    1) Hernandez was regarded as a punk before being drafted, in fact, certain teams had him listed as undraftable due to his character concerns. As far as I know, Lewis had no such red flags.
    2) In view of 1), the Hernandez circumstance falls much more in the "known or should have known" category than the Lewis circumstance. The Lewis situation was much farther outside of the realm of possibility when compared to the Hernandez situation.

    The fact is the Patriots drafted a player with well-known red flags, tried to go the whole "Patriot Way" thing, and now look silly, in addition to the money burned on his recent contract.




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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

    Quote Originally Posted by rlh445 View Post
    lol man patriots fans are 'classy' to the end. look at this quote (one of many) from their board:



    their dismal offseason couldn't have happened to a better bunch of fans.
    I can't wait until we crush them this season.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    I saw this.

    It is a hilarious attempt to deflect from their crappy situation. More of the arrogance and elitist behavior of Patriots fans. As if they are now better than the Ravens for releasing a player instead of standing behind them, before a court is able to rule.

    I am not absolving Lewis of his involvement, but there are more differences between the scenarios than Patriots fans might like to admit.

    1) Hernandez was regarded as a punk before being drafted, in fact, certain teams had him listed as undraftable due to his character concerns. As far as I know, Lewis had no such red flags.
    2) In view of 1), the Hernandez circumstance falls much more in the "known or should have known" category than the Lewis circumstance. The Lewis situation was much farther outside of the realm of possibility when compared to the Hernandez situation.

    The fact is the Patriots drafted a player with well-known red flags, tried to go the whole "Patriot Way" thing, and now look silly, in addition to the money burned on his recent contract.
    Which is why I don't feel one iota of sympathy for the pompous, arrogant bastids.




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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

    I don't get the flak directed at HoustonRaven. All he did was refrain from jumping to conclusions. Are we so jaded by the media's poor quality in this day and age that somehow caution and common sense are to be sneered at?




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    I get all that and like I said I admire the steadfast stance but the timing was hilarious to me as it was very apaprent at the time that Hernandez was involved far more than "hanging with the wrong crowd." By then we already knew his rental car was involved and that he'd been hanging out with the guy that night in the car. Houston was the LAST person to come around to the fact that Hernandez was at a bare minimum involved in some sort of indiscretion here.

    I find it funny.
    I didn't post, or at least not much, on this thread until today, but I was among the crowd waiting until more was known about this situation before taking a stand. Mainly because of what happened with Ray Lewis 13 years ago. It's not funny, it's just not wanting to believe that a young man is throwing his life away after reaching the achievement we all shared when we were kids throwing the football around with our friends (using the old 2 completions=1st down rule).


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    Quote Originally Posted by trailhiker85 View Post
    I don't get the flak directed at HoustonRaven. All he did was refrain from jumping to conclusions. Are we so jaded by the media's poor quality in this day and age that somehow caution and common sense are to be sneered at?
    I too am refraining from rushing to judgement here. It certainly looks bad, but I learned from Ray's case to not jump so fast.

    A lot of the same damning type of stuff with Hernandez was there initially with Ray too.



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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

    Quote Originally Posted by nickh0801 View Post
    Has any more info been released on the other 2 guys that were with him at the time? I know AH is the higher profile guy, but nothing else has been said about the other 2 guys...
    Im with you here.

    I'd like to know more about them as well. I think it's safe to assume they're known to the police and the police are playing all three off one another.
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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

    What's wrong with giving the guy the benefit of a doubt? Until recently I was thinking (perhaps hoping for his sake) he was getting bad advice or got caught up in things beyond his control. I just see no down side to waiting for more information.




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    Seems early for his release. If im not mistaken the difference between the two is By this point Ray admitted his guilt flipped from defendent to star witness. Hernandez seems to still be covering something up. He does have time to do the same i would think but im not sure hes heading that direction.
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    Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Investigation (Merged)

    Quote Originally Posted by Derf View Post
    What's wrong with giving the guy the benefit of a doubt? Until recently
    Arrogant Pats fans will try to distinguish this from the Lewis situation by claiming the Patriots are somehow more moral because they chose to cut ties with someone involved in a murder.

    If this makes them somehow feel superior, then good for them.

    But it does not change the fact that the same issues that caused Hernandez to be red-flagged in the draft are the same issues that got him arrested. The Patriots were aware of these issues and took the chance.

    This Hernandez situation is much more foreseeable in light of his history than was the Lewis situation. Both were surprising, but one is much more in line with one person's character than the other.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Seems early for his release. If im not mistaken the difference between the two is By this point Ray admitted his guilt flipped from defendent to star witness. Hernandez seems to still be covering something up. He does have time to do the same i would think but im not sure hes heading that direction.
    Not this quickly...Not only was Ray initially charged with murder, but the trial for it had started...the obstruction charge wasn't offered until the prosecutions weak case completely fell apart after the limo drivers testimony during the trial.

    That whole process took a couple months.

    We are still in the infant stages with Hernandez.


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    There was plenty of smoke from day 1 but patience and reluctance to rush to judgment are pretty much never wrong. I don't agree that the balance of evidence at any time solely pointed to Hernandez running with a bad crowd and nothing more, but people fail to realize that investigations (at least at this stage) are not about revealing the truth to the public. Plenty of information gets leaked to various sources specifically to leverage other sources, to conceal information (by both the good guys and the bad guys), and for a multitude of other reasons. We have no way of knowing whether leaked information was legit or was for one of those other reasons.

    The NFL/Patriots have conducted their own investigation--and I'm sure they either employ or contract with some very solid investigative people--and they've concluded that because of whatever they've turned up Hernandez is not worth keeping. To justify dumping a guy you just made a big investment in whatever they've turned up has to look very, very bad.




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    If the Patriots were willing to incur a cap hit of 7.5 million while cutting a guy whose one of the best at his position, I'm willing to hop, skip and jump to the conclusion that he's boned no matter how this turns out.




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