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    A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)



    TD/INT Ratio (through year 5)

    1- Aaron Rodgers (2.81)
    2- Dan Marino (2.23)
    3- Philip Rivers (2.17)
    4- Matt Ryan (2.12)
    5- Tom Brady (1.87)
    6- Joe Flacco (1.82)
    7- Donovan McNabb (1.78)
    8- Joe Montana (1.77)
    9- Ken O'brien (1.61)
    10- Carson Palmer (1.597)
    11- Bernie Kosar (1.596)
    12- Ken Anderson (1.57)

    Other Hall of Famers: Kelly (1.46), Tarkenton (1.22), Young (1.19), Elway (1.10), Aikman (1.05), Griese (1.01), Namath (0.93), Fouts (0.60), Bradshaw (.59)



    INT % (through year 5)

    1- Aaron Rodgers (1.85%)
    2- Ken O'brien (2.16%)
    3- Joe Flacco (2.25%)
    4- Matt Ryan (2.28%)
    5- McNabb (2.31%)
    6- Matt Hasselbeck (2.34%)
    7- Bernie Kosar (2.42%)
    8- Steve McNair (2.46%)
    9- Philip Rivers (2.52%)
    10- Tom Brady (2.58%)
    11- Joe Montana (2.67%)
    12- Jeff Blake (2.75%)

    Other Hall of Famers: Kelly (3.11%) Marino (3.21%), Troy Aikman (3.44%), Steve Young (3.54%), John Elway (3.57%), Namath (5.09%), Tarkenton (5.13%), Fouts (5.21%), Griese (5.26%), Bradshaw (6.60%-pitiful)


    QB Rating (through year 5)

    1- Aaron Rodgers (97.23)
    2- Dan Marino (95.47)
    3- Philip Rivers (92.93)
    4- Matt Ryan (90.87)
    5- Joe Montana (90.02)
    6- Roethlisberger (89.42)
    7- Carson Palmer (88.87)
    8- Daunte Culpepper (87.95)
    9- Tom Brady (87.5)
    10- Brett Favre (86.98)
    11- Joe Flacco (86.34)
    12- Matt Schaub (86.2)

    Peyton Manning (14th-85.86)

    Other Hall of Famers- Jim Kelly (83.5), Troy Aikman (81.00), Fran Tarkenton (78.1), Steve Young (77.26), John Elway (74.09)
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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    What about completion %? I'm guessing that's why his QB rating is the only stat not in the top 10.
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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    Why not just put all 3 parts in one thread?




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    Agreed, I hope the mods merge the three threads.

    I think this just goes to show the fantasy football mindset of many fans and talking heads. The want to see flashy numbers. Me, I'll roll with Herman Edwards' philosophy....."HELLO?!?!?!?!?! YOU PLAY! TO WIN! THE GAME!!!!!!"

    I'll roll with Joe anytime. Is he the best in the NFL? I wouldn't say that. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, etc, are all damned good and have won SB's. Ben is pretty good too, I'd say he and Joe are just a notch below the other four I mentioned. But Joe is our guy, and like I said, I'll roll with him anytime. As for Matt Ryan...well....when he stops choking in the postseason, then I'll give him his due.
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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    Quote Originally Posted by nickh0801 View Post
    Why not just put all 3 parts in one thread?
    I rather see these then 3 seperate triva questions that have nothing to do with the Ravens or NFL.




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    I hate stat comparisons to QB's who played before the middle of the last decade.

    Football and passing in particular are light years different from the 90's and 80's.

    There were QB's winning passing titles with QB ratings in the low 80's in the 1980's. those same ratings are considered below average now.


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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    plus, like the wins stats, a lot of QBs don't start right away and many that do are on really bad teams. Joe came into a pretty good team and that helped him early on...
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    Let me correct my self...top QB ratings were in the low 90's in the 80's and 90's...and that's considered average today.


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    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    This is interesting, but where are these stats from? The reason I ask is because I notice the QB that most everyone thinks is the best QB in the AFC North is not listed in these lists. Is that because he didn't rank, or he was left off on purpose? Either way, that right there is some "elite" company that Joe Flacco shares, whether or not the national sports media chooses to believe so or not.


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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Bru View Post
    This is interesting, but where are these stats from? The reason I ask is because I notice the QB that most everyone thinks is the best QB in the AFC North is not listed in these lists. Is that because he didn't rank, or he was left off on purpose? Either way, that right there is some "elite" company that Joe Flacco shares, whether or not the national sports media chooses to believe so or not.

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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Bru View Post
    This is interesting, but where are these stats from? The reason I ask is because I notice the QB that most everyone thinks is the best QB in the AFC North is not listed in these lists. Is that because he didn't rank, or he was left off on purpose? Either way, that right there is some "elite" company that Joe Flacco shares, whether or not the national sports media chooses to believe so or not.
    He's #6 in QB rating in the OP above.




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I hate stat comparisons to QB's who played before the middle of the last decade.

    Football and passing in particular are light years different from the 90's and 80's.

    There were QB's winning passing titles with QB ratings in the low 80's in the 1980's. those same ratings are considered below average now.


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    I agree the comparison should be to his peers in this era and where they project; it would be much more revealing than comparisons to Troy Aikman. And honestly, that is what the writers are going to look at when they vote for the HOF.




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    I agree the comparison should be to his peers in this era and where they project; it would be much more revealing than comparisons to Troy Aikman. And honestly, that is what the writers are going to look at when they vote for the HOF.
    I don't have a problem with it. It doesn't exclude current QB's. It shows how Joe stacks up against Rivers, Manning, Manning, Brady, Rapist, Ryan, etc etc. We can all account for different eras as we weight our opinions. But facts is facts.
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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    Part of the layer of this was not only to show how Flacco's stats stack up to others, but also to show how little he has been hampered by "growing pains" like so many quarterbacking legends.

    Look at Fouts, Tarkenton, Bradshaw, and Namath. Fouts and Bradshaw were awful NFL quarterbacks through their first five years. There was little about their resume after five NFL seasons that screamed "future hall of famer" (some would argue there is still little about Bradshaw's resume that screams Hall of Famer). Tarkenton wasn't much better. Namath had some resemblance of a HOFer in this first five NFL seasons, but really did little to polish that resume afterwards.

    Steve Young was a backup with ho-hum stats in the limited time he did play.

    Montana had a good start to his career, but was not the master of efficiency that he displayed through the mid-to-late 80s.

    Warren Moon didn't take a snap until he was 28.

    Roger Staubach didn't play a down in his first 5 post-college seasons.

    Even Elway, as much of a stud as he often was, had massive turnover struggles early in his career (and before you chalk that up to his era, note that Elway had a higher INT ratio than draft classmates O'Brien and Eason).

    Of all the QBs who are in the HOF and started their career after 1960, the only one who was on a clear HOF arc after year 5was Marino. Montana was getting close. Namath, as mentioned earlier, was close as well, but really did little after year #5 to enhance that resume. He really had only one good NFL season after year five.

    Flacco is wayyyyyy ahead of over half of the HOF QB fraternity because so many people in that club did very little with their careers until their late 20s.




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year #5- Part 3 (qualitative)

    Who knew that Ken O'Brien would rank so high? I saw him every week growing up in NY and honestly he was a completely mediocre QB. The more important the situation the worse O'Brien would play. He was kind of the anti-Flacco in that respect.
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