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    A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)



    Total TD passes (first 5 NFL seasons)

    1- Dan Marino (178)
    2- Peyton Manning (138)
    3- Matt Ryan (127)
    4- Brett Favre (108), Drew Bledsoe (108)
    6- Jay Cutler (104), Carson Palmer (104)
    8- Joe Flacco (102)
    9- Ben Roethlisberger (101), Jim Everett (101)
    11- Boomer Esiason (98), Eli Manning (98)

    Other Hall of Famers: Namath (97), Tarkenton (96), Elway (85), Montana (78), Griese (77), Aikman (69), Bradshaw (48)




    Total Passing Yards (first 5 NFL seasons)

    1- Peyton Manning- 20,618
    2- Dan Marino- 19,422
    3- Matt Ryan- 18,957
    4- Drew Bledsoe- 18,348
    5- Joe Flacco- 17,633
    6- Jay Cutler- 15,964
    7- Joe Namath- 15,487
    8- Jim Everett- 15,345
    9- Roethlisberger- 14,974
    10- Carson Palmer- 14,899
    11- John Elway- 14,835


    Other Hall of Famers: Aikman-13,627, Tarkenton-12,018, Montana-11,979, Griese-10,281, Fouts-7658, Bradshaw- 7524, Jim Kelly 6391, Steve Young 5468, Warren Moon-0, Roger Staubach-0
    Last edited by LukeDaniel; 06-20-2013 at 10:13 AM.




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)

    Flacco is a bum.



    ... and green = HoF?
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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)

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    ... and green = HoF?
    Yes sir.




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Total TD passes (first 5 NFL seasons)

    1- Dan Marino (178)
    2- Peyton Manning (138)
    3- Matt Ryan (127)
    4- Brett Favre (108), Drew Bledsoe (108)
    6- Carson Palmer (107)
    7- Jim Kelly (105)
    8- Jay Cutler (104)
    9- Joe Flacco (102)
    10- Ben Roethlisberger (101), Jim Everett (101)
    12- Boomer Esiason (98)

    Other Hall of Famers: Namath (97), Tarkenton (96), Elway (85), Montana (78), Griese (77), Aikman (69), Bradshaw (48)




    Total Passing Yards (first 5 NFL seasons)

    1- Peyton Manning- 20,618
    2- Dan Marino- 19,422
    3- Matt Ryan- 18,957
    4- Drew Bledsoe- 18,348
    5- Joe Flacco- 17,633
    6- Jay Cutler- 15,964
    7- Jim Kelly- 15,730
    8- Carson Palmer- 15,690
    9- Joe Namath- 15,487
    10- Jim Everett- 15,345
    11- Roethlisberger- 14,974
    12- John Elway- 14,835


    Other Hall of Famers: Aikman-13,627, Tarkenton-12,018, Montana-11,979, Griese-10,281, Fouts-7658, Bradshaw- 7524
    Does this include post-season yards?




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)

    Flacco also lost 2 TDs in 2012, both were passes to Jacoby (so he lost 2 as well).
    The first was in the Eagles game when the replacement refs called offensive PI on Jones when it should've been defensive PI.
    The second was in the Giants game when Jones caught the pass, turned quickly, and dove for the end zone, stretching out to put the ball over the goal line, only to have the ball pop free after his hand hit the ground. The refs ruled that Jacoby failed to make a "football move" before losing the ball, so the catch didn't count, even though it was in his hand when the ball broke the plane of the goal line.

    Add in that Flacco barely played in the final game against the Bengals, and that since he threw either 2 or 3 TDs in every other game with Caldwell as OC, there's a good chance that he lost another 2 or 3 TDs there.

    So, if we add those 4 or 5 TDs to Flacco's 22 this season, that comes to a more respectable 26 or 27. That also raises his total for his career to either 106 or 107, which passes Kelly and maybe ties him with Palmer for 5th place.




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Total TD passes (first 5 NFL seasons)

    1- Dan Marino (178)
    2- Peyton Manning (138)
    3- Matt Ryan (127)
    4- Brett Favre (108), Drew Bledsoe (108)
    6- Carson Palmer (107)
    7- Jim Kelly (105)
    8- Jay Cutler (104)
    9- Joe Flacco (102)
    10- Ben Roethlisberger (101), Jim Everett (101)
    12- Boomer Esiason (98)

    Other Hall of Famers: Namath (97), Tarkenton (96), Elway (85), Montana (78), Griese (77), Aikman (69), Bradshaw (48)




    Total Passing Yards (first 5 NFL seasons)

    1- Peyton Manning- 20,618
    2- Dan Marino- 19,422
    3- Matt Ryan- 18,957
    4- Drew Bledsoe- 18,348
    5- Joe Flacco- 17,633
    6- Jay Cutler- 15,964
    7- Jim Kelly- 15,730
    8- Carson Palmer- 15,690
    9- Joe Namath- 15,487
    10- Jim Everett- 15,345
    11- Roethlisberger- 14,974
    12- John Elway- 14,835


    Other Hall of Famers: Aikman-13,627, Tarkenton-12,018, Montana-11,979, Griese-10,281, Fouts-7658, Bradshaw- 7524
    man that Matt Ryan guy is pretty good... *ducks for cover.
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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    man that Matt Ryan guy is pretty good... *ducks for cover.
    Matt Ryan is good. He is very good. Its just that he didn't show up in the playoffs until this, his 5th year.
    He has had a great offense built around him from day 1 and they have aded to it whenever they could.
    But he deserves props even though he isn't a Raven. It's ok.
    I still like our MVP and champ better...but who doesn't...




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)

    Anyone who wouldn't take Flacco over Ryan either is a Flacco hater or a Falcons fan. Their stats were nearly identical for their early years, despite the fact that Joe was only asked to manage the game those years, and Ryan had a decent offense around him and was asked to produce.

    He's had a top 10 WR every year, and the best pass catching TE of all time all but his rookie year. Once he got Julio Jones, which gives him now 2 of the top 10-15 WRs in the NFL, he finally began to surpass Joe statistically. Joe on the other hand has never had a top 15 WR, or a top 10 TE, and has always been the QB of a run-first team.

    Oh yeah and another little detail, Joe has won more playoff games on the road than Ryan has started playoff games.

    Right now Flacco's career stacks up very well with Brees, Manning, and Brady at similar points in their careers. Which is why I think Joe Flacco will be the NFL MVP in 2014.




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)

    I like the effort, but cross-era comparisons simply don't work if you're holding the numbers at face value.




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)

    Again, these stats are pretty meaningless. Carson Palmer didn't play at all during his rookie season. Manning was on a horrible team. Favre only played a handful of plays his first year.
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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Manning was on a horrible team.
    For one year, his rookie season when they went 3-13. The very next season they went 13-3 and won their division. After that, the Manning-led Colts only had one season where they won less than 10 games - 2001, Manning's fourth year, where I believe everybody in the Colts locker room came together under the common cause of getting Jim Mora fired.




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    Re: A historical comparison of Joe Flacco through year 5- Part two (quantitative)

    Playing under Cam, Joe wasn't asked to run as prolific an offense as many on the list but still managed to put up decent numbers. Stats are good for comparison, but part of a fair analysis should consider scheme, personnel and coaching. The offense under Caldwell at the end of last year was an indication of what we should expect this year. Joe should have his best year statistically.




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