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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    $15k at MAD RIVER? Now hat is absurd.
    This $16k tab is at least in LA... $450 a bottle for Ciroq is abotu 50% more then I've seen anwhere in Baltimore. Aqua, Club X and many fo the other high -end Bottle service clubs pretty much topped out around $300 for top shelf bottles. DC area clubs typically in teh $350 range. Las Vegas was in the $500 range.

    All of that info is botu 5years old, lol, Those days are in my past. And obviousl;y things liek Dom and Louis the 13th were above those limits, but I am speakign in teh ballpark fo Ciroq.

    $15k at Mad River is completely insane. Thats well over 1000 drinks. That's not an expensive club at all.
    Rumor was he bought up a bunch of tabs from other people who were there.

    Mad River isn't the same place it is today. When it was converted, it was more of a club then the bar / pub it is now.
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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Rumor was he bought up a bunch of tabs from other people who were there.

    Mad River isn't the same place it is today. When it was converted, it was more of a club then the bar / pub it is now.
    I am most familiar with Mad River circa 2002-2010 ... not expensive.. not at all




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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Maybe it's just me, but that 13% is a lot of money for a relatively small amount of effort.

    RE: tipping, which means "To Insure Promptness" by the way, I usually do 15-20% based on the service. If service is bad, I will deduct accordingly. However, I like to shock and awe servers with 50% tips from time to time when they provide uniquely outstanding service. I also like to write to restaurants when I feel like they have a rock star or a stinker on staff.


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    When I was in the industry, I always thought tips meant "To Insure Proper Service". Guess it varies.

    Having worked a bar in my early 20's, I can assure you servers and bartenders work their asses off. Because of that, 20% is my starting point but will adjust according to the level of service I receive.

    If I did everything right and got a 13% tip, I'd be pissed and think the person is a cheapskate. I'd definitely remember the person and you'd get exactly 13% worth of service next time.
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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Having worked a bar in my early 20's, I can assure you servers and bartenders work their asses off. Because of that, 20% is my starting point but will adjust according to the level of service I receive.

    If I did everything right and got a 13% tip, I'd be pissed and think the person is a cheapskate. I'd definitely remember the person and you'd get exactly 13% worth of service next time.
    I'm not suggesting bar staff don't work hard, but they usually aren't serving up $7500 bottles of champagne now, are they. This instance can't be compared with the bar bill you and your buddies run up at Max's.


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    I always tip 20% unless the service was really bad. And the math is easy, just take the final amount, move the decibel, and double it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by camdenyard View Post
    I'm not suggesting bar staff don't work hard, but they usually aren't serving up $7500 bottles of champagne now, are they. This instance can't be compared with the bar bill you and your buddies run up at Max's.
    Agreed.

    It's much worse. The d-bag quotient in places like this is worth the 20% tip in of itself.
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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I am most familiar with Mad River circa 2002-2010 ... not expensive.. not at all
    agreed,,,the only clubby thing about it was the room upstairs lol




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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Quote Originally Posted by camdenyard View Post
    I'm not suggesting bar staff don't work hard, but they usually aren't serving up $7500 bottles of champagne now, are they. This instance can't be compared with the bar bill you and your buddies run up at Max's.
    yup




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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Reading through this thread I'm wondering something? Are we discussing why NFL players go broke, or tipping percentages?

    My theory on why the tipping protocol went from 15% to 20% is so the burden of paying waiters is transferred from the employer to the customer. If restaurateurs would just charge 20% more for their menu items, and pay that to the servers, they could eliminate tipping all together.


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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Out of interest, do yous tip the cashier at the supermarket, or the assitant in clothes shops who help with getting correct sizes, or down the car wash? Or a anything else for that matter




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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Out of interest, do yous tip the cashier at the supermarket, or the assitant in clothes shops who help with getting correct sizes, or down the car wash? Or a anything else for that matter
    Waiters, bartenders, hair stylists, bell men, valet parking attendants, and occasionally delivery people are most of the tipping occupations.


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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Out of interest, do yous tip the cashier at the supermarket, or the assitant in clothes shops who help with getting correct sizes, or down the car wash? Or a anything else for that matter
    Not necessarily, because those people are protected by minimum wage law. However, because it is assumed by the Fed that service industry folks will make tips, they are allowed to be paid only $2.13/hour. So if you DON'T get tips, you make about $85 for a 40 hour workweek.

    Interesting piece here. Not saying one should support the cause, but this part is shocking:

    In 1991, a loaf of bread cost 70 cents, the average salary was $29,000, and the minimum wage for tipped employees was $2.13.

    21 years later, bread costs $2.89, and American workers are taking home $40,000.

    But the minimum wage for tipped employees is still $2.13.
    And by the way, yes I do tip the guys at the car wash. We tip a lot in this country.
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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Not to be a dick but --- if I order a $15,000 bottle of wine vs a $300 bottle of wine what should my tip be? The level of service is presumably the same. I would guess that a waitress who is entrusted to bring a $15,000 bottle of wine isn't being paid minimum wage and I doubt that the waitress with the $300 bottle of wine is either. There are some rules of thumb that don't scale. I don't know where the scale should stop but I do think that ridiculing a $1300 tip because you give 25% on your $80 bar bill is sort of ridiculous. Is the service that much better? And aren't you favoring the more privileged waiter/waitress over the harder working one.




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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Quote Originally Posted by walkingpneumonia View Post
    Not to be a dick but --- if I order a $15,000 bottle of wine vs a $300 bottle of wine what should my tip be? The level of service is presumably the same. I would guess that a waitress who is entrusted to bring a $15,000 bottle of wine isn't being paid minimum wage and I doubt that the waitress with the $300 bottle of wine is either. There are some rules of thumb that don't scale. I don't know where the scale should stop but I do think that ridiculing a $1300 tip because you give 25% on your $80 bar bill is sort of ridiculous. Is the service that much better? And aren't you favoring the more privileged waiter/waitress over the harder working one.
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