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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Again though, this is a reprint of the receipt, not the copy he was given and signed for, any tip over the included gratuity would only be on that copy and his copy if he chose to keep it.
    Good point.

    I'm just cynical since there are a ton of stories out there about athletes being poor tippers.
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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    I don't have one iota of sympathy for any pro athlete who goes broke. Too many of us regular folks get laid-off, can't pay for kids' college educations, and many lose their houses to foreclosure. So why should I care for some guy who made million$ playing a child's game, and blows it ? Keep in mind that most start their careers @ 21, and are of adult age... Bc




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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    I don't have one iota of sympathy for any pro athlete who goes broke. Too many of us regular folks get laid-off, can't pay for kids' college educations, and many lose their houses to foreclosure. So why should I care for some guy who made million$ playing a child's game, and blows it ? Keep in mind that most start their careers @ 21, and are of adult age... Bc
    I agree with you to a point.

    Yes, they're adults but many times its by age only, having come from nothing with very little education in terms of managing finances.
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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I agree with you to a point.

    Yes, they're adults but many times its by age only, having come from nothing with very little education in terms of managing finances.
    At their tender ages they likely have parents, uncles/aunts, perhaps older siblings, coaches, veteran players, etc. to give them guidance IF (BIG IF) they want to listen. Aren't we all responsible for our actions? I know there's a grain of truth in your statement, but that does not exempt these young players from making mistakes of their own doing AND paying a huge price for them, especially down the line as they age... Bc




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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    At their tender ages they likely have parents, uncles/aunts, perhaps older siblings, coaches, AND A LITANY OF HANGERS ON TRYING DESPERATELY TO SUCK THEM DRY OF EVERYTHING THEY CAN GET.
    FTFY.


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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    FTFY.


    Sorry for the all caps, bolding is tough from a phone.
    So we're not responsible for our own actions? Yep, give 'em an excuse so we can all live in a "no fault" society. BTW, are you ready to contribute to their "relief" funds? ... Bc




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    So understanding that these kids are frequently taken advantage of by people who they are supposed to be able to trust, and are very often not given the proper education with regards to managing large sums of money is the same as saying they're not responsible for their own actions?

    Since when?

    I can understand the gaps these guys fall into without absolving them of their share of responsibility, and in doing so am able to scrounge up that iota of sympathy that you can't find.
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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    I don't give them a free pass for it, but it is the way it is. Tavon Austin mentioned that after getting drafted, all of the sudden a lot of "Family members" started talking to him more than they ever had in the past.

    http://nesn.com/2013/05/tavon-austin...st-round-pick/

    Luckily for him, he understands the pitfalls (at least somewhat) and is aware that people are going to be coming for money from him, so he needs to be careful.

    Family is tough. They guilt you into feeling like if you don't help them out, you're not good people. But those same people are probably asking for it because they're in bad shape, and they're looking for whatever outlet they can find to make an easy buck. In those cases, it's not like these guys are "making it rain". They're getting talked into bad deals which they think are helping family, but in many cases are really just chucking money to a freeloader.
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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    A customary tip for satisfactory service is 15% in the states.

    Lots of athletes here have a reputation being poor tippers but that's for another thread.

    I thought it was 20%. That's what I've been paying - 18% if service isn't so hot. Nothing
    if it's terrible.

    15% went out years ago and I learned that over in the other forum and guys jumped
    on me for paying 15%. I didn't know it went up to 20%. I paid more than than
    last night because I eat at the same places every week and they know me so I pay
    more.

    I'll leave nothing if the service is really bad but I'll always tell them why.




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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    I thought it was 20%. That's what I've been paying - 18% if service isn't so hot. Nothing
    if it's terrible.

    15% went out years ago and I learned that over in the other forum and guys jumped
    on me for paying 15%. I didn't know it went up to 20%. I paid more than than
    last night because I eat at the same places every week and they know me so I pay
    more.

    I'll leave nothing if the service is really bad but I'll always tell them why.
    I always tip 20 if service is good. I used to work in the restaurant business. I feel for those people.

    But back on topic. I don't get the whole club scene. Are you supposed to feel cool paying so much for a bottle of booze?


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    Re: How Ex NFL'ers Go Broke

    I have always been a person who tips at least 20% if service is good. You have to be flat out horrible for me to tip less than 10%. Rarely have I ever not left anything. Those people work hard for that money. I have never worked as a server, but I have been a cook, and I worked in bars for 6 years during college and after, bartenders and wait staff don't get much from the place they work.


    As for feeling sorry for these guys, when they lose everything. I have empathy/sympathy for their situation, but I also don't feel bad for them. Even if they go broke, they got to do things and see things that most of us will never be privy to from a monetary standpoint. There are plenty of us "regular guys" that are in debt, and we find a way to make our lives work. They have to too.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    So we're not responsible for our own actions? Yep, give 'em an excuse so we can all live in a "no fault" society. BTW, are you ready to contribute to their "relief" funds? ... Bc
    Overreact much?

    Nobody is absolving them. In the end it's their fault. We have not claimed otherwise.

    But every fault has a cause. We are just recognizing why so many athletes fall on their face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    I thought it was 20%. That's what I've been paying - 18% if service isn't so hot. Nothing
    if it's terrible.

    15% went out years ago and I learned that over in the other forum and guys jumped
    on me for paying 15%. I didn't know it went up to 20%. I paid more than than
    last night because I eat at the same places every week and they know me so I pay
    more.

    I'll leave nothing if the service is really bad but I'll always tell them why.
    I do the exact same thing and the same amounts.

    I was speaking of customs, not practice.

    Hence the word "customary".
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Our old buddy Kyle Boller would pull this move often when he and Tara Reed were together.

    Mad River used to have a receipt taped to their downstairs bar from him that was over $15k.
    $15k at MAD RIVER? Now hat is absurd.
    This $16k tab is at least in LA... $450 a bottle for Ciroq is abotu 50% more then I've seen anwhere in Baltimore. Aqua, Club X and many fo the other high -end Bottle service clubs pretty much topped out around $300 for top shelf bottles. DC area clubs typically in teh $350 range. Las Vegas was in the $500 range.

    All of that info is botu 5years old, lol, Those days are in my past. And obviousl;y things liek Dom and Louis the 13th were above those limits, but I am speakign in teh ballpark fo Ciroq.

    $15k at Mad River is completely insane. Thats well over 1000 drinks. That's not an expensive club at all.




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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    I thought it was 20%. That's what I've been paying - 18% if service isn't so hot. Nothing
    if it's terrible.

    15% went out years ago and I learned that over in the other forum and guys jumped
    on me for paying 15%. I didn't know it went up to 20%. I paid more than than
    last night because I eat at the same places every week and they know me so I pay
    more.

    I'll leave nothing if the service is really bad but I'll always tell them why.
    I recall Steve Martin in one of his 80% movies(The Jerk, My Blue Sunday or A Story) speakign about tipping. Basically the gist was that if you were going to tip, it is best to OVER-TIP. If it's a place i frequent, and I desire top notch service(such as a bar ALWAYS IS) I generally top 25-33%. In the Baltimore bar scene after a few times, this will customarily cut yoru bar tab in half of what it should be, which is a win-win for you and the server, while a loser for the bar owner. Yo will be served ahead of the pretty girls righ on the rail fo the bar as wel.

    Out of Town, I am closer to 20%.

    I also ave a personal rule of no less the $1 per drink or shot, and also no less then $5 on any "tab" of any kind. If I sit down at a pizza shop with a waitress and my bill comes to $12, the waitress get's $5. Order Chineese and it's $17? Tip is $5. Generally I do not ask for coins back either, and that is added to whatever tip I decide to give.




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