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    Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach



    The main question I have about this move is the timing of it.It seems as if it would have been done earlier it would have not only been more fair to Leach, but also put the team in a position where they could have better utilized that additional cap savings in terms of available FA's in positions of need.




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    Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    But that perspective could easily change once the season rolls around. How many of us saw the Ravens actually signing Doom? We were all thinking they were going to HAVE to rely on guys like McAdoo, Hamilton, and a rookie to help Suggs get after the QB.

    I'm not saying anyone we currently have on the roster is going to be able to do what Boldin is able to do, but I think Pitta can effectively be that possess/slot red-zone receiver.
    I can't wait to see Pitta in the slot. Maybe that's why Ravens signed 2 TEs to replace
    him like Juice and the Terp, and hopefully they'll use this new cap space to exten him, plus they have Baja and of course Dickson who made a big catch in the SB.

    Gronk who? Kiss my ass! ILMAO

    Ozzie insists DT or Doss will step up but for now that's the only weak position on
    offense on paper, maybe the entire team.

    I can't wait to see this defense. Who do you double team?

    Ngata? ha

    Canty? Wow

    Suggs? Hu huh

    Elvis? Get out man

    Mc Phee - Ask Brady about him.

    Then there's ARt, Brown, Spears, Brandon to boot. So much depth.

    They can't double team all them dudes. Then we got Webb and Jimmy coming back
    plus Corey who iced the Denver game.

    Hell, we won the SB w/o Webb and Jimmy won it for us in the end. This front
    7 makes it much easier for the back 4 and we added HUff and Elam who is
    in the Pollard mold but younger and faster and better in coverage.

    We're looking at a repeat guys.
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  3. #168

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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    Complacency matters too, and the big roster turnover is something that will actually help with that. All of these new guys are going to want a ring, and they're going to help set the tone for the whole team.
    Yes, indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I guess so.
    I think he is saying the Ravens lost their enforcers like LB's being scared to shoot the gaps when RR got the ball bc they knew Leach was coming like when Leach pancaked Patrick Willis. Pollard jacked Hines Ward up in that 35 to 7 blowout in the season opener which put fear in WR'S coming over the middle plus hits he had all season such as the hit in the NE game that caused the RBto fumble. Boldin also threw some vicious blocks such as the 4th and 29. Ray Lewis still had that fear factor eventho he lost a step. The Ravens always had that fear factor and most teams lost before the coin toss. IMO they may have lost that mental edge. We will see who will step up and replace the ones that left. I rather have a smash mouth team like the past Ravens or Steelers over a team built like GB or NE eventho GB n NE has been to the big dance.


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    Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by runrayrun27 View Post
    Fair. I understand your point and where you're coming from. Earlier posts looked like you were blowing it out of proportion, but if it's growing pains you're suggesting then absoloutely agree with you. We had growing pains last year (aka the entire regular season), but still won. It's hard to speculate too much about how the team will play out as we haven't seen much, if any, of them, so we are left to argue the "on paper" look. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, who knows.
    The biggest factor in our favor is the coaching staff, IMO. We might have to take our lumps early, we might not. Who knows? With Webb back I really don't expect too many problems in the secondary, even early on. My main concern is that line backing core. A lot of moving parts.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    The biggest factor in our favor is the coaching staff, IMO. We might have to take our lumps early, we might not. Who knows? With Webb back I really don't expect too many problems in the secondary, even early on. My main concern is that line backing core. A lot of moving parts.
    Smith will definitely help with the linebacking core, but still Brown is a rookie. His transition is the key to a strong corp
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    Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by runrayrun27 View Post
    Smith will definitely help with the linebacking core, but still Brown is a rookie. His transition is the key to a strong corp
    Who am I to say Bodlin's spot is the weak link on he team?

    Joe says here this is the best offense he's seen here and he's the SB MVP.

    I'm not worried about MLB with Suggs and Elvis around him. There's enough guys
    to step up. Even w/o Ray we're better than most teams at linebacker.

    With this offense - repeat.

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  8. #173

    Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    At the end of the day, I was in denial and defended Leach's presence to the bitter end.

    However, the reality was clear. Rice was picking up more yardage in single back and Caldwell was running more three wide. When you combine that with the desire for more Two TE sets, the writing was on the wall.
    I must admit that your name was the first to come to mind as soon as I read that Leach had been cut, since you just wouldn't budge from your position that he needed to be retained, even at his ridiculously out of sync salary. (However, at least you manned up without any prompting. WTG.)




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    Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/...e-e43030b97c5b


    After cutting Vonta Leach, General Manager Ozzie Newsome said there would be a chance the veteran fullback could return to Baltimore after exploring the free agent market.
    Few believed it would actually happen, but it appears those chances are improving.
    Despite drawing interest from the Miami Dolphins, Houston Texans and New York Giants, Leach says he’s still in contact with the Ravens and is open to returning.
    "Me and [Newsome], we talk once a week and [we’ll] see how everything goes,” Leach said yesterday on SiriusXM NFL Radio. “He knows the process and me and him are going to let the process play out.”

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    Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by blacknpurplepain View Post
    I think he is saying the Ravens lost their enforcers like LB's being scared to shoot the gaps when RR got the ball bc they knew Leach was coming like when Leach pancaked Patrick Willis. Pollard jacked Hines Ward up in that 35 to 7 blowout in the season opener which put fear in WR'S coming over the middle plus hits he had all season such as the hit in the NE game that caused the RBto fumble. Boldin also threw some vicious blocks such as the 4th and 29. Ray Lewis still had that fear factor eventho he lost a step. The Ravens always had that fear factor and most teams lost before the coin toss. IMO they may have lost that mental edge. We will see who will step up and replace the ones that left. I rather have a smash mouth team like the past Ravens or Steelers over a team built like GB or NE eventho GB n NE has been to the big dance.


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    That was JJ and was already gone last year. I bet he wishes he's stayed one more year. Of course, his replacement, Upshaw, forced a critical fumble early in the SB. Everytime they started to get momentum in the first half they slammed the door on 'em.




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    Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach

    I read another 'Leach to Miami' article last night so that is sounding like the most logical end but I still believe Baltimore is #2 and a possibility for him to return. They cut him because of his salary, not because he doesn't add value
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    Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    I read another 'Leach to Miami' article last night so that is sounding like the most logical end but I still believe Baltimore is #2 and a possibility for him to return. They cut him because of his salary, not because he doesn't add value
    He does still add value just not as much as he did. His role will be reduced but it would be nice to have him for those short yardage red zone downs where just having him in there adds another dimension that the D has to think about.
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    Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach

    If he came back at a REALLY cap friendly rate I guess I'd be cool with it but truthfully I've already moved on from him. The more I am hearing about Juice the more I like him and am anxious to see what he can do in live action. Besides in Caldwell's scheme Vonta would've been much more marginalized so unless he was playing for a little more than peanuts it wouldn't be a great value anyway.
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    Miami has ponied up a LOT of money this offseason. Honestly, they have to be seeing what's happening in NE and thinking it's time to push ALL the chips in. Jets are floundering, the Bills are the Bills, and Miami has to be sharks (rather than Dolphins, there's your pun for the day) and smell the Patriots' blood in the water. But, I don't know if the GM is starting to realize how much money he spent this offseason and maybe starting to curtail that spending a bit...

    I think the main 4 in the mix would be Texans, Ravens, Dolphins, Giants. Texans fans want him back, but sounds like the FO is passing. Giants is where I'd want him to end up if not back here, simply because he'd be out of AFC, but it seems like they aren't giving the money he wants.

    We'll see, I'm okay with Juice Check as FB, but seems possible Leach comes back with each passing day without a deal.
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    Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach

    While I'm not sure we'll be able to get Vonta back, it is fun to think about personnel groupings. Torrey-Pitta-Juice-Ray-Vonta all on the field at once. You could go from Wishbone or Wing-T to 3 or 4-Wide. What's a DC to do? Seems like it would be a lot of fun on the goal line.
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