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    Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach



    Quote Originally Posted by houstonravensfan View Post
    Unfortunate. Leach was the personification of "Play Like a Raven." Reality overcomes emotion. Again.
    I'm with you. I understand the move, but it still sucks.




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    He's visiting the Dolphins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    He's visiting the Dolphins

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    Would be a huge win for them. I think they could be tough this year.
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    Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    They won the SB. That's how it turned out.

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    Way to totally avoid my point. You were wrong about last year's defense, even bristling when I dared to broach the subject that the defense of 2012 would not be as good as years past. I even offered a friendly wager (a steak dinner for two at the restaurant of your choice). Predictably, you wouldn't back up your words




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    Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by runrayrun27 View Post
    You know what gives a team an identity? Winning. And that's what this new look Ravens team will do. It's more in line with a faster, athletic league. To suggest they don't have toughness is quite laughable. They have tough trenches on both sides of the ball. And where is this Pollard boner coming from? He is an average strong safety at best. Yes he made what is my favourite play of the run knocking out Ridley, but he was shit in pass coverage and if you haven't watch Elam play he can hit too.

    I'm pumped for the new identity they are going to have this year
    To suggest that the loss of nine starters, including two first ballot Hall of Famers, would not negatively impact a football team is even more laughable.




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    Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach

    Actually, this team is better than the SB team except for Boldin's spot.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    To suggest that the loss of nine starters, including two first ballot Hall of Famers, would not negatively impact a football team is even more laughable.
    I love Ed and Ray but neither one was a Hall of Fame caliber player last year. Hell, neither one was even better than middle of the pack, and at times were worse. As for the other starters lost, I don't see a spot on defense where we didn't upgrade the lost guy, and on Offense we lost two over 30 players who cost significantly more than they're worth, and one of them may still come back at a reduced salary. All in all, I think this team is at least as good as last year's, and potentially much better.
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    Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    To suggest that the loss of nine starters, including two first ballot Hall of Famers, would not negatively impact a football team is even more laughable.
    Both are future HOFers for what they once did, certainly you can't believe it was for anything they did last year.

    Pollard/Reed - Huff/Elam
    Lewis/Ellerbe - Brown/Smith
    Krueger - Dumervil
    Williams - Webb
    Kemo - Williams
    Birk - Gino
    Leach - Juice
    Boldin - Undetermined? Committee?

    We can argue about if these are upgrades, but I think several are. Juice is not going to match Leach as a lead blocker, but he will be more versatile and capable as a weapon. Dumervil is a no-brainer, he has many seasons of success. Reed Lewis and Birk will be 35, 37 and 37 this year. Time takes it's toll on everyone, it was time to move on.




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    Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    I love Ed and Ray but neither one was a Hall of Fame caliber player last year. Hell, neither one was even better than middle of the pack, and at times were worse. As for the other starters lost, I don't see a spot on defense where we didn't upgrade the lost guy, and on Offense we lost two over 30 players who cost significantly more than they're worth, and one of them may still come back at a reduced salary. All in all, I think this team is at least as good as last year's, and potentially much better.
    I agree for the most part, especially with regards to speed and athleticism at safety and inside linebacker. My concern is the (lack of) identity. With the departed, especially Pollard, Boldin and Leach, we had the identity of being a rough, physical team who, even if you beat them, physically you lost. Hell the Steelers hated playing us because after one of those battles it took two games to recover. We are at a cross roads, IMO because it's going to take while for the replacements to forge an identity of their own.




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    Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Actually, this team is better than the SB team except for Boldin's spot.
    But that perspective could easily change once the season rolls around. How many of us saw the Ravens actually signing Doom? We were all thinking they were going to HAVE to rely on guys like McAdoo, Hamilton, and a rookie to help Suggs get after the QB.

    I'm not saying anyone we currently have on the roster is going to be able to do what Boldin is able to do, but I think Pitta can effectively be that possess/slot red-zone receiver.
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    Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Only because Joe and the offense bailed them out after that 10th ranked D gave up
    almost 500 yards (300 in the air) and 31 points in the SB.

    Then Ozzie gutted that 10th ranked D.

    Maybe this year you'll be right.
    I think we can all agree that, at the very least, this defense is probably MUCH faster than they were last year and that could help translate to a very stout and highly ranked D.
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    Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    Way to totally avoid my point. You were wrong about last year's defense, even bristling when I dared to broach the subject that the defense of 2012 would not be as good as years past. I even offered a friendly wager (a steak dinner for two at the restaurant of your choice). Predictably, you wouldn't back up your words
    I don't like to wager monetary bets with A) someone I don't know and B) on the internet. Ask anyone here. I've never done that. I don't even like playing poker with friends at a party and the buy in is only 20 bucks or something. The one online bet that I did on here was with BleedPurple92 a few years ago and the bet was whoever lost had to change their avatar to the winner's choosing for a month.

    The defense was certainly not as good as it has been in the past. Age definitely caught up with Ed and Ray. Secondly, not having Suggs, McClain, and Webb for most of the season definitely impacted the things that Dean Pees may (or may not) have been able to do with the D.

    Still though, with the way the offense played down the stretch and into the post-season, the defense just needed to be good, not great. They finished 17th for average yards against per game (350.9 as per NFL.com) and they finished 12th in total points against (344). They also finished 12th for average points against per game (21.5). Interestingly enough, they were in the top 10 (10th) for average yards against per play (5.2), but they just couldn't get off the field consistently, so they were in the bottom 5 of the league for total plays from scrimmage (1,089). That put them in the same categorical discussions with Cleveland, Jacksonville, New Orleans, Minnesota, and Tennessee; all of which had bottom-feeder D's last year. Baltimore was also in the bottom three for time of possession against with an average of 32:25 per game (which makes what the offense did even more impressive when you figure they, on average, had the ball less than half of the game). Another interesting note is that the offensive 3rd down percentage against the Ravens was 36%, which was good for top 10 (7th). So, clearly the Ravens had their largest issues on 1st and 2nd down.

    Hopefully Dean Pees will address those issues and hopefully getting a healthy Suggs and Webb back will help with that.

    I just don't understand your always wanting to find a negative aspect about the team when it is June.
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    Re: Goodbye Vonta Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I just don't understand your always wanting to find a negative aspect about the team when it is June.
    Point taken about the betting part. However, expressing concern about a particular unit and being negative are two different things, IMO. It's not my nature or intent to be negative; I was just wondering how all these new faces were going to factor in. Football is the ultimate team sport. I foresee growing pains, that's all.




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    Re: Goodbye Vontae Leach

    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    To suggest that the loss of nine starters, including two first ballot Hall of Famers, would not negatively impact a football team is even more laughable.
    With the exception of Boldin who hasn't been replaced? Every position except for WR and possibly C (too early to tell) has been upgraded. The reason I don't see much negativity is because we didn't just seek athletic football players we sought character guys as well. I love Ray and Reed, but they were done and I'm glad to see them go out on top. I'll take Huff and Brown/Smith over Ray and Reed and it's be silly not to agree with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runrayrun27 View Post
    With the exception of Boldin who hasn't been replaced? Every position except for WR and possibly C (too early to tell) has been upgraded. The reason I don't see much negativity is because we didn't just seek athletic football players we sought character guys as well. I love Ray and Reed, but they were done and I'm glad to see them go out on top. I'll take Huff and Brown/Smith over Ray and Reed and it's be silly not to agree with that.

    See post #148




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