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    Quote Originally Posted by akashicrecorder View Post
    ...but also because liberalism is based on giving more freedom/options to more groups of people than conservatism.
    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I used to think this way too. Give it time.
    When I was very young, I thought Democrats/liberals were more respectful of people's freedom. Then I thought it was Republicans/conservatives.

    Now? I don't think there is that much of a difference between the 2 parties. They put on a good show to make people think there is, though.

    Neither has much respect for the rights of its citizens they are supposed to be protecting (they did take an oath, right?).




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    And that's precisely what's wrong with this country.

    There was a time in this country when people from both sides of the fence would sit around and enjoy each others company. Politicians and citizens alike would put aside their political differences and simply be cool to one another.

    The event wasn't political and it was a once in a lifetime chance to go to a place very few will ever see. I couldn't stand Clinton but I jumped at the chance to meet him and go to the White House.

    As for Birk, I support his right to free speech but feel he missed out on an opportunity. Missing that opportunity is his right, too.
    spot on. People used to be able to come together and discuss things. now its one or the other, which is absolutely whats wrong.

    as for Birk...
    "I wasn't there," Birk told KFAN in Minnesota. "I would say that I have great respect for the office of the Presidency, but about five or six weeks ago, our President made a comment in a speech and he said, 'God bless Planned Parenthood.'

    In April, Obama closed his speech at a Planned Parenthood national conference, saying "Thank you Planned Parenthood. God bless you, God bless America.
    not quite what the president said. You could have been planned parenthood, but me thinks he meant you plural as in, "you listening". plenty of speeches end that way. so whats even worse is he made something political (and religious) that wasnt really the intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    When I was very young, I thought Democrats/liberals were more respectful of people's freedom. Then I thought it was Republicans/conservatives.

    Now? I don't think there is that much of a difference between the 2 parties. They put on a good show to make people think there is, though.

    Neither has much respect for the rights of its citizens they are supposed to be protecting (they did take an oath, right?).
    We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. - Benjamin Franklin




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    IT is my belief that this administration is NOT actively working to improve the status of our nation worldwide, but is in fact intentionally taking this country into the garbage.
    Do us a favor and list all of the Presidents who haven't been accused of that. How many of them held the office in the past 200 years?
    I've upped my standards. Up yours.




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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    Do us a favor and list all of the Presidents who haven't been accused of that. How many of them held the office in the past 200 years?
    I think his point is that what he feels about this President. Not what other Presidents have been accused of by other people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    When I was very young, I thought Democrats/liberals were more respectful of people's freedom. Then I thought it was Republicans/conservatives.

    Now? I don't think there is that much of a difference between the 2 parties. They put on a good show to make people think there is, though.

    Neither has much respect for the rights of its citizens they are supposed to be protecting (they did take an oath, right?).
    I definitely agree that politics and politicians, in general, can be disappointing, pathetic, disgusting ... any bad adjective you want to throw out there. Someone doesn't know too much about politics if they think their side is the alpha and omega of goodness. I may be a liberal Democrat, but I don't think liberals and Democrats have all the answers or are always right.

    But in my opinion, if you have one side that says, "Hey, sure, YOU can have a basic freedom such as marriage or workplace equality," and another side says you can't, then hey: one side is granting its citizenry more rights. There might be a lot to conservatism and Republicanism I would like or appreciate if not for the very loud, obnoxious, and medically ignorant Rape Crew that sprouted up recently, featuring Todd Akin et al.




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    Quote Originally Posted by akashicrecorder View Post
    I definitely agree that politics and politicians, in general, can be disappointing, pathetic, disgusting ... any bad adjective you want to throw out there. Someone doesn't know too much about politics if they think their side is the alpha and omega of goodness. I may be a liberal Democrat, but I don't think liberals and Democrats have all the answers or are always right.

    But in my opinion, if you have one side that says, "Hey, sure, YOU can have a basic freedom such as marriage or workplace equality," and another side says you can't, then hey: one side is granting its citizenry more rights. There might be a lot to conservatism and Republicanism I would like or appreciate if not for the very loud, obnoxious, and medically ignorant Rape Crew that sprouted up recently, featuring Todd Akin et al.
    That extreme view of abortion exist on the other side as well.. only in the opposite end of the spectrum. I am one of the more pro-life people I know, and even I make exceptions for rape and health of the mother. That "no abortion even for rape" view is a very small small group of people.
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    ... and yet it's a liberal Democrat Administration that's using one of the most heavy handed instrument, the IRS, to punish those who have different beliefs.

    To paraphrase Greg Gutfeld, I stopped being a Democrat because I didn't want to be forced into certain morals. I stopped being a Republican for the exact same reason.

    I think in the next 10-15 years, the Libertarian party is going to be a legit third party since it attracts people from both parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    That extreme view of abortion exist on the other side as well.. only in the opposite end of the spectrum. I am one of the more pro-life people I know, and even I make exceptions for rape and health of the mother. That "no abortion even for rape" view is a very small small group of people.
    That may be true, usually it's the vocal minority that makes the whole group look bad. But you didn't address the part about how the liberals/Democrats are the ones trying to extend more rights to more people.




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    Quote Originally Posted by akashicrecorder View Post
    That may be true, usually it's the vocal minority that makes the whole group look bad. But you didn't address the part about how the liberals/Democrats are the ones trying to extend more rights to more people.
    We could get into that if you'd like. I'll admit it is the one or one of the main areas that there is somewhat of a double standard. But if were going to get into that, I'd like you to explain how the liberal/democrat is all for helping the little guy and helping people, but is totally silent on no rules for abortion, right up to due date abortions. Would you like to go down this road?
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    Re: Birk Refuses WH Invite

    Hey guys,

    I never come to this part of the board (not a politic guy), but just want to chime in real quick.


    In America you have a choice to voice your opinion which makes this country great. That being said, super petty to bring in the religion argument to make a statement. This was about honoring a team on the biggest stage in a country in which you belong. The prez said nothing about his agendas or anything to that extent while having them at the WH. This was strictly about a team that you won your only Superbowl with and enjoying the moment with the players you went to war with every Sunday. Knowing full well if this was a president that he agreed with, he would have still been there.

    If you want to be real, what does Birk's religion say about people you don't agree with? The main reason for their religion basically had a guy that would hang with people he didn't like all the time. Sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, the lowest of the low, but yeah Birk your religion is the reason.

    Man up and stop using a cop out.


    I personally met Birk as both our kids were in the same class in Cockeysville. He was the nicest person and really down to earth, but this was petty.




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    Re: Ravens at the White House Stream

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I think his point is that what he feels about this President. Not what other Presidents have been accused of by other people.
    correct... anyone else that felt that way about a past president is welcome in my mind to boycott such an event.

    I think that W, Carter and FDR have done very much harm to this country, but I believe that FDR and Carter were attempting to help out, while Bush had a revenge fantasy to fulfill. I don't believe any of those administrations to be actively pursuing the downfall of the nation in which they were the leader. I truly and Honestly believe that Obama is attmepting to accellerate the "fall of Rome"




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    Re: Birk Refuses WH Invite

    Quote Originally Posted by akashicrecorder View Post
    But in my opinion, if you have one side that says, "Hey, sure, YOU can have a basic freedom such as marriage or workplace equality," and another side says you can't, then hey: one side is granting its citizenry more rights. There might be a lot to conservatism and Republicanism I would like or appreciate if not for the very loud, obnoxious, and medically ignorant Rape Crew that sprouted up recently, featuring Todd Akin et al.
    Republicans/conservatives have been no friends of citizens' rights these last few years. But, remind me, with which political party is the administration currently affiliated? You know, the one that continues to imprison hundreds of thousands of minority citizens on non-violent (and mostly minor) drug offenses? The one that spies on journalists and it owns citizens without search warrants. The one which reserves, and executes, its "right" to kill its own citizens abroad without due process of law? Certainly not the one that is "granting its citizenry more rights".

    By the way, the rights of the citizenry are not the government's to grant. We have them already.

    The abuse of power, and the related abuse of citizens' rights, is not related to whether one has a small "r" or small "d" after ones name.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Republicans/conservatives have been no friends of citizens' rights these last few years. But, remind me, with which political party is the administration currently affiliated? You know, the one that continues to imprison hundreds of thousands of minority citizens on non-violent (and mostly minor) drug offenses? The one that spies on journalists and it owns citizens without search warrants. The one which reserves, and executes, its "right" to kill its own citizens abroad without due process of law? Certainly not the one that is "granting its citizenry more rights".

    By the way, the rights of the citizenry are not the government's to grant. We have them already.

    The abuse of power, and the related abuse of citizens' rights, is not related to whether one has a small "r" or small "d" after ones name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Republicans/conservatives have been no friends of citizens' rights these last few years. But, remind me, with which political party is the administration currently affiliated? You know, the one that continues to imprison hundreds of thousands of minority citizens on non-violent (and mostly minor) drug offenses? The one that spies on journalists and it owns citizens without search warrants. The one which reserves, and executes, its "right" to kill its own citizens abroad without due process of law? Certainly not the one that is "granting its citizenry more rights".

    By the way, the rights of the citizenry are not the government's to grant. We have them already.

    The abuse of power, and the related abuse of citizens' rights, is not related to whether one has a small "r" or small "d" after ones name.
    The illusion of granting more rights to it's citizen IMO, is solely based on social issues.
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