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    Hope someone gives him a shot but I would be pissed if the Ravens even consider him, and I am pretty confident they won't. Do not want the biggest bust in NFL history mentioned in the same sentence.


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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Talent can only get you so far. Vince Young is another guy with tremendous talent. 3 different teams have now given up on him and Young can't even get a try out this offseason.

    Part of what made Russell so good in college was his great leadership ability. That 2006 LSU team had a weak running attack after Joseph Addai had left the year before. On top of that the o-line was not up to it's usual level. This was not something that they were used to dealing with. JaMarcus put the offense on his back and carried that team. He looked like Big Ben moving around and making plays despite constant pressure. Those were the exact skills that JaMarcus lost when he came to the NFL. Honestly I don't think you can just turn it on again. Talent alone just isn't enough
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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Talent can only get you so far. Vince Young is another guy with tremendous talent. 3 different teams have now given up on him and Young can't even get a try out this offseason.

    Part of what made Russell so good in college was his great leadership ability. That 2006 LSU team had a weak running attack after Joseph Addai had left the year before. On top of that the o-line was not up to it's usual level. This was not something that they were used to dealing with. JaMarcus put the offense on his back and carried that team. He looked like Big Ben moving around and making plays despite constant pressure. Those were the exact skills that JaMarcus lost when he came to the NFL. Honestly I don't think you can just turn it on again. Talent alone just isn't enough
    That innate ability to lead just doesn't go away though.

    In all honesty, I think Jamarcus Russell became apathetic when he got into the NFL. The Raiders stunk, their organization was in disarray, and there was a different coaching staff each season. Not making excuses for the guy because he let himself get out of shape and uninterested in learning how to be a pro, but this wouldn't be the first time that a young, impressionable player goes to a team that is just permeated with negativity, so they become "whatever" about the whole thing. He signed a mega deal, made his cash, and figured that if the rest of the organization didn't give a shit (seemingly), why should he? Gotta remember, these are YOUNG kids we're talking about here. Not all of them have the maturity it takes to be a consummate professional the day they're drafted.

    It is possible that he figured out the errors he made and is trying to correct them. You use Vince Young as a comparative example and while I agree to a certain extent, Young has still been in the news even after being bounced from the Titans to the Eagles and to the Bills as being financially stupid with his money. It doesn't seem like Young has hit that "bottom" yet. Maybe Russell has?

    I'm not advocating that the Ravens take a chance on the guy, but I do hope that he can get back into the league because you're right GOTA, that guy was very similar to Roethlisberger at LSU. He could flick the ball 65-70 yards in the air, no problem.
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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    It's very simple. Signing this guy is LITERALLY ZERO RISK, at least from a monetary perspective. Best case scenario--he has legitimately turned it around and he wins the backup QB job. Worst case scenario--he hasn't, and he gets cut in camp. Either way, the Ravens would be paying a pittance or nothing at all. He won't get a dime unless he proves he's worth it, because no team is going to be handing him any guaranteed money.

    I also don't see any risk from a human capital perspective. His story is going to get some press, but it will be a tiny blip on the radar of the 24 hour news cycle, so I doubt it will be much of a distraction. The only man-hour investment it's going to take is flying him out here, watching him go through drills, and going through the 10 minute negotiation with his agent.

    I don't see how people could be so adamantly against such a win-win proposition.




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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I don't see how people could be so adamantly against such a win-win proposition.
    When you *just* look at it from a monetary perspective, anyone can be sold on the idea.

    Problem is, as with McClain, it isn't *just* a monetary endeavor.

    The introduction of someone who may be lazy, a head case, a malcontent, etc into a relatively young locker room could be far more disastrous than any cap / salary implications.

    That's the risk I don't want the team to take. It has nothing to do with the money.

    Besides, he simply isn't that good. At this point in their respective careers, I'd take Tyrod. He knows the system better than anyone other than Flacco at this point.
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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    When you *just* look at it from a monetary perspective, anyone can be sold on the idea.

    Problem is, as with McClain, it isn't *just* a monetary endeavor.

    The introduction of someone who may be lazy, a head case, a malcontent, etc into a relatively young locker room could be far more disastrous than any cap / salary implications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven
    At this point in their respective careers, I'd take Tyrod. He knows the system better than anyone other than Flacco at this point.
    Valid point and one that shouldn't be overlooked.

    In fact, because of this Tyrod should - theoretically - be able to beat someone like Russell out.
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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
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    I thought about him too but I'd say he's turned the corner, thus got his job back. But had I been GM (and, thankfully, I am not) his ass still would have been on the bench.

    And I did use the word *could* as my carve out.
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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    That innate ability to lead just doesn't go away though.

    In all honesty, I think Jamarcus Russell became apathetic when he got into the NFL. The Raiders stunk, their organization was in disarray, and there was a different coaching staff each season. Not making excuses for the guy because he let himself get out of shape and uninterested in learning how to be a pro, but this wouldn't be the first time that a young, impressionable player goes to a team that is just permeated with negativity, so they become "whatever" about the whole thing. He signed a mega deal, made his cash, and figured that if the rest of the organization didn't give a shit (seemingly), why should he? Gotta remember, these are YOUNG kids we're talking about here. Not all of them have the maturity it takes to be a consummate professional the day they're drafted.

    It is possible that he figured out the errors he made and is trying to correct them. You use Vince Young as a comparative example and while I agree to a certain extent, Young has still been in the news even after being bounced from the Titans to the Eagles and to the Bills as being financially stupid with his money. It doesn't seem like Young has hit that "bottom" yet. Maybe Russell has?

    I'm not advocating that the Ravens take a chance on the guy, but I do hope that he can get back into the league because you're right GOTA, that guy was very similar to Roethlisberger at LSU. He could flick the ball 65-70 yards in the air, no problem.
    If you remember the issue was there before he even signed with the Raiders. His demands were crazy and he didn't just miss camp but part of the season. On top of that he was completely out of shape and abusing codeine. That's pretty bad. Even if he did hit bottom is it possible to come back after years of being out of the game? I don't think so but I kind of hope he can based on my feelings about JaMarcus from his college days.

    Interestingly enough the guy who succeeded JaMarcus Russell at LSU was Matt Flynn. Flynn didn't have 1/4 of the talent but he had more of a traditional LSU running attack and very good o-line. Along with a great defense Flynn was able to lead LSU to the National Championship. He's also done pretty well for himself, at least financially, and will now follow JaMarcus as the Raiders QB. How ironic would it be if Flynn once again wins where JaMarcus couldn't?
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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    I have absolutely no problem with us looking at him, aside from the media circus that will likely come with it. He has/had all the talent in the world, and can make every throw just like Joe. His problem has always been upstairs, but he appears better in the maturity aspect at least. Really is a no loss situation for the Ravens and Russell both.




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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I thought about him too but I'd say he's turned the corner, thus got his job back. But had I been GM (and, thankfully, I am not) his ass still would have been on the bench.

    And I did use the word *could* as my carve out.
    I'm aware of your use of "could". Haha.
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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I thought about him too but I'd say he's turned the corner, thus got his job back.
    and whos to say Russell hasnt? without being given a chance no player can prove they have.

    I dont understand why we cant be that team to give 2nd chances when almost every team in the league has guys that fall under that category. If anything were a better team to try such a thing because of the leadership in our FO and staff and current Vets.
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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    If you remember the issue was there before he even signed with the Raiders. His demands were crazy and he didn't just miss camp but part of the season. On top of that he was completely out of shape and abusing codeine. That's pretty bad. Even if he did hit bottom is it possible to come back after years of being out of the game? I don't think so but I kind of hope he can based on my feelings about JaMarcus from his college days.

    Interestingly enough the guy who succeeded JaMarcus Russell at LSU was Matt Flynn. Flynn didn't have 1/4 of the talent but he had more of a traditional LSU running attack and very good o-line. Along with a great defense Flynn was able to lead LSU to the National Championship. He's also done pretty well for himself, at least financially, and will now follow JaMarcus as the Raiders QB. How ironic would it be if Flynn once again wins where JaMarcus couldn't?
    Well, I think we all know how uber-talented players can dominate in college, but flame out in the pro's because they've never worked on the fundamentals of the game or their position.

    Russell probably didn't dedicate himself too much to film sessions, weight room sessions, etc while at LSU because he was a 265lb QB who could move and throw the ball 100mph.

    Flynn, on the other hand, didn't have that physical ability, so he had to rely on accuracy, smart play, and understanding the game. I'm not sure how Flynn is going to do in Oakland, but I'd argue that he probably has a better understanding of how to play the position than Russell ever did.
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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    and whos to say Russell hasnt? without being given a chance no player can prove they have.

    I dont understand why we cant be that team to give 2nd chances when almost every team in the league has guys that fall under that category. If anything were a better team to try such a thing because of the leadership in our FO and staff and current Vets.
    It's a fundamental disagreement we will never agree upon.

    I don't see why we have to be the team of 2nd chances. I'd rather go with younger, unproven talent than 2nd chance prospects that might hit 1 out of 100 times.
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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    It's a fundamental disagreement we will never agree upon.

    I don't see why we have to be the team of 2nd chances. I'd rather go with younger, unproven talent than 2nd chance prospects that might hit 1 out of 100 times.
    Or we could not limit ourselves and do both.




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    Re: Ravens interested in Jamarcus Russell?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpiderWebb View Post
    Or we could not limit ourselves and do both.
    And how is that possible with a 53 player limit?

    Someone has to be sent home eventually and I'd rather give the new guys a shot.
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