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    Re: Rookie Camp First Impressions



    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    6' 240 lbs is pretty small for ILB by NFL standards. Ah, but that doesn't mean the man (Arthur Brown) cannot play the position well. By that accepted norm, then let's cut Ray Rice, Matt Elam, and Gino Gradkowski too... Bc
    Patrick Willis is less than an inch taller than Arthur Brown and weighs about the same. Navarro Bowman too.

    Other pretty good LBs that are roughly the same size (i.e. not massive ILBs):
    Jerrod Mayo, Bobby Wagner, Darryl Washington, Stephen Tulloch, Jon Beason...

    The days of the 265+lb middle linebacker are fading. Guys that size are now playing DE or bulking up to play DT. This is why there has been so many bigger safeties dropping down to LB while in college. Devonte Holloman, Kenny Tate, Alec Ogletree, Zaviar Gooden, etc. Truthfully, Taylor Mays probably should have dropped down to OLB while at USC.

    LBs need to be able to, not only hit, but run and change direction fluidly. That's kind of why I am glad that the Patriots drafted Dont'a Hightower before we could last year. Good player, but a north/south guy. I think it will be very hard for him to develop into an every-down linebacker.

    Arthur Brown may be a smidgeon under 6'1" and around 240lbs, but he can run and that is what this defense lacked last year at ILB.
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    If Hensley is the one saying that about Brown, immediately I don't give a shit.

    His whole spiel about we haven't cut McClain because "We obviously NEED him" is BS. It goes hand in hand with a video I watched on the NFLN about why we hired Spags. Eric Davis applauded the hire, but the counterpoint guy said it was "an admission of weakness", saying we hired him because we admitted we were lacking in the knowledge and leadership to run our D. Spags is a cheap hire with no drawback because we don't cut anyone to bring him in and he doesn't distract from our other coaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I am beginning to hear that Arthur Brown was not that impressive at the rookie camp, and may not start this year. Anyone else hearing the same thing?
    What month is this? Let's see what happens in September.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Let me clarify my statements on Gino. I didn't say he was undersized for a center or anything, I just meant that Jenson is quite significantly bigger at 317 lbs. I think Gino is big enough to play center, but I did hear reports that the Ravens wanted him to get stronger, and he did struggle slightly there last pre season as a man to man blocker, he also struggled with it against the Bengals even though he had a solid overall game, he got thrown about by Peko a little bit. He is a finesse blocker, that likes to make his blocks on the second level, he is a little like Chris Myers in that regard, and there's nothing wrong with that, especially if the system benefits that style of blocking. I think Gino is going to be the starting center, but I do think Jenson is going to surprise us a little bit and will give us something to think about in 2014.
    Exactly, and that's what I've been saying. Gino will start and is the vet. Maybe not this year but next if Jensen should beat out Gino it has to do with technique and his size. He won't need any help around him like someone just said Gino will need after saying size doesn't
    matter because he was big enough as is. Then he says he'll need help. IMO

    It's a damn shame they closed camp to the fans at Westminister. It would be very
    interesting to see Brandon Williams going vs Gino in practice. Talk about needing
    strength.
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    If you are to believe the Ravens website...Jensen and Gino are basically the same size...

    Both are listed as 6'3", Jensen is listed as 304, Gino listed as 300.

    So I don't know that straight up size will be a real differentiation between them
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    That's the Ravens site sorta like Solo adding 5 more lbs to Gino-lol. The link I provided above said Jensen was 6'4".

    Here's a report on Gino that says his entire family is the underdog same with his brother. He's expected to get the job done. Just like I said with Saturday above he has footwork
    speed and lateral movement in space. But, but....

    His weakness is that he is too small to play guard and be the starting center for most teams and will need more strength at center. He gets too high at times and loses leverage was stood up by schools like Rhode Island. Athletically he is adequate but not superior which is where the finess stuff comes into play but I'm sure Castillo is working on his techniques with him.

    Ravens are hoping he gets stronger and will get the job done as the underdog. But this
    size and strength stuff is what I've been reading in this forum and other places since
    day 1 but if Ozzie saw something in him, don't bet vs him.

    Unless Ryan Jensen comes along and moves him out.


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    Maybe, but all I'm saying is that these two are pretty similar in frame.

    Now, as far as who is stronger and has more skill as a C, that remains to be seen. Competition can only be a good thing, but I'd tend to not write off Gino quickly. The underdog mentality got his brother some decent work with the Raiders, Bengals, and now possibly the Steelers. I'd be interested to see how Gino looks when he reports to OTAs and Training Camp.
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    As for Ryan, I'll defer to the link at the top of this thread and what he did at rookie
    camp. It of course remains to be seen if he can continue it. None of us have seen enough
    of either one of them in games.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    If you are to believe the Ravens website...Jensen and Gino are basically the same size...

    Both are listed as 6'3", Jensen is listed as 304, Gino listed as 300.

    So I don't know that straight up size will be a real differentiation between them
    That website is so wrong about weight/height etc. Jenson weighed in at 317 lbs at his pro day and was exactly 6'3.4, I honestly don't understand where they get their numbers from half the time. They list Terrell Suggs at 260 lbs, which was lighter than the likes of Paul Kruger who they had at 274 lbs IIRC. We all know Suggs is probably closer to 280 and is certainly bigger than Kruger.




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    ILMAO - Ravens site is like padding term papers in school. In this case

    to serve their own purpose. I'd believe MIkie Prestone before I believe them.



    Gil Brandt the famous Cowboys guru and Ozzie Newsome of his era has Jensen
    listed at 6'3.5 and 317 lbs.


    http://blogs.nfl.com/2013/03/19/csu-...aft-spotlight/
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    ILMAO - Ravens site is like padding term papers in school. In this case

    to serve their own purpose. I'd believe MIkie Prestone before I believe them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    There you go...making shit up again. I think you need glasses (among other things...)

    When did I ever say Gino was a finesse guy? I'll save you the time because I have never said that. In this thread, leachisabeast claimed that Gino is more of a "finesse blocker" and paintballguy is the one who brought up Jeff Saturday.

    If you're going to shit one someone for poking holes in your antiquated *Bigger is Better!* argument, then at least get it right.

    Congrats on knowing how big Birk was. However, you're arguing with yourself and frankly you're wrong. Jeff Saturday and Birk were in the 1998 draft, so they both played for 15 seasons (1998-2013). Both were 2-time All Pros, both were 6 time pro-bowlers, both have a SB ring.

    The idea that a "big" center is better than a "smaller" center because they're bigger is just flat out stupid. The only thing that I - among others - have stated is that Gino at 6'3" 300-305lbs is not undersized and can still functionally play at a high level as a center. I mentioned Chris Myers and Jason Kelce, who both are two of the better centers in the NFL and are under 300lbs...UNDER 300lbs (Gino is OVER 300lbs). Those two players are proof positive that it can be done. As I said before, it is all about technique. You want to claim that Jensen is a lot stronger, but then you state that he did 30 reps to Gino's 29 reps. WOW. A whopping 1 rep difference. Are you joking? THAT is your baseline? Give me a break dude.



    If this isn't a typical "Trap comment" then I don't know what is.

    Guess what Ol'Timer? The NFL of 2013 ain't the NFL of 1975. Get with the now.
    I don't get the size thing. 6'4" 310. Gino was 6'3" 300 when drafted. Size will not be the issue. Jensen is a sixth rounder that no one has seen any tape on. I find it comical people already predicting he will be competing for a starting spot in year two. I am sure that 1 rep more in bench has him better prepared to handle NFL defensive lineman. He was a 6th rounder for a reason.

    As for Brown's size the Ravens need him to be able cover. If he is not big enough to be able to play the run as a Mike right away that is fine. There are guys that can do that. The Ravens need him to be able play in space initially. He will be fine. That is also what make McLain so enticing. They have opposite strengths.




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    benching and overall strength are pretty different things. With good technique youre probably using your legs more than anything so where only one rep separates them, maybe its that functional strength people are referring to when claiming hes undersized? I have no idea, I thought he was under 300 when drafted which was driving that but i guess not.

    i dont see a problem with him until he cant move some of the the AFC norths best DTs which if Geno Atkins was a sign, he certainly can. I like Jensen too. obviously theyll both be competing for C but i dont think its a given that Gino is bounced, especially for size when i dont really see that as an issue. If size meant something we wouldnt have Ray Lewis or Ed Reed who were both considered undersized. Not surprisingly we drafted Brown and Elam with similar criticisms this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    benching and overall strength are pretty different things. With good technique youre probably using your legs more than anything so where only one rep separates them, maybe its that functional strength people are referring to when claiming hes undersized? I have no idea, I thought he was under 300 when drafted which was driving that but i guess not.

    i dont see a problem with him until he cant move some of the the AFC norths best DTs which if Geno Atkins was a sign, he certainly can. I like Jensen too. obviously theyll both be competing for C but i dont think its a given that Gino is bounced, especially for size when i dont really see that as an issue. If size meant something we wouldnt have Ray Lewis or Ed Reed who were both considered undersized. Not surprisingly we drafted Brown and Elam with similar criticisms this year.
    Benching can certainly be correlated to an offensive lineman "popping" a defensive lineman in the chest to kind of stand them up, but it definitely is only a contributing factor in functional strength as a lineman.

    People using the combine bench press numbers (Jensen's 30 reps to Gino's 29 reps) as a threshold for why Jensen is "stronger" than Gino makes no sense at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Stick to your day job Hensley.
    At the risk of restating the obvious, this is his "day job." Unfortunately. For which he is almost certainly overpaid.




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