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    Re: Ravens hire Steve Spagnuolo



    Quote Originally Posted by Novakov View Post
    After seeing that we hired him my mind immedietly remembered this article back from when we beat his Rams.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,wp8167
    Classic.

    But this does spell trouble for dean pees. Wouldn't be surprised if he did what Mattison did and finds a job elsewhere this next offseason. Then again Ravens model themselves on consistency ala Cam Cameron




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    Re: Ravens hire Steve Spagnuolo

    [QUOTE=conviction;626987]Classic.

    But this does spell trouble for dean pees. Wouldn't be surprised if he did what Mattison did and finds a job elsewhere this next offseason. Then again Ravens model themselves on consistency ala Cam Cameron[/QUOTE

    Harb s and Pags are boys. Pags would have been our d coordinator had our season not been extended in 2011. Old boy network at its finest.




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    Re: Ravens hire Steve Spagnuolo

    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Bru View Post
    You mean like he did hiring Cam Cameron after he was fired from the Dolphins HC job?
    If you mean like a 1-15 former HC who no one in the league will ever let within half a mile of a head coach opening again, yeah.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Unibomber View Post
    Pees has said multiple times that he only wants to be a coordinator not a hc. Plus hes older. We may finally have some coaching continuity on defense.

    Great to have another good experienced coach on board.
    Havent heard that before but if true, does that include bwing offered millions to coach. Things change but i hope youre right unless a better option arises.
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    Re: Ravens hire Steve Spagnuolo

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    If you mean like a 1-15 former HC who no one in the league will ever let within half a mile of a head coach opening again, yeah.
    Well there was also the Jim Caldwell hire. Bottom line this is the 3rd former HC Harbaugh has hired, so no offense, but I think your point doesn't hold water.
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    Re: Ravens hire Steve Spagnuolo

    Ravens just keep reloading for the future. It's good to have another defensive mind in the building as we resurrect ourselves with a younger defense ready to attack. I don't care if this person or that person replaces another person in the future..... What I care about is that the Ravens are bringing in the best minds they can find, to coach the team into another Super Bowl contender!

    We all get upset when we lose a familiar or favorite player, and wonder HOW are we EVER gonna replace them..... Same seems to be for coaches now a days. Especially for the Ravens as we are annually poached by other teams. Spags is a good addition to the team! Does he end up replacing Pees? Does he move on to another team? All I care about is what he can do for our team while he is here! Like players, coaches can always be replaced..... it may hurt, but it is the life in the NFL.




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    Re: Ravens hire Steve Spagnuolo

    Very good hire.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipping Birdie View Post
    It makes me wonder if this is some harbinger for how our future front seven is lined up. His defensive schemes are 4-3 with lots of DE blitzing.
    DE "blitzing" in a 4-3?

    Anyway, I'm kind of indifferent to this hire, he is very good if you have a terrific pass rushing front 4....when he doesn't...not so much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by esmd View Post
    Well there was also the Jim Caldwell hire. Bottom line this is the 3rd former HC Harbaugh has hired, so no offense, but I think your point doesn't hold water.
    4th- he had Al Saunders on the staff as well for a year (or was it two) as the offense consultant.




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    Re: Ravens hire Steve Spagnuolo

    IMHO, adding Spags is all good.

    No offense meant to Harbs, but I think he (Harbs) is more a "manager" in the business sense: communicate, motivate, delegate, etc, than in the sports sense: coach up, set game plans, etc.

    As to 4-3 or 3-4, looks like we could have so many horses that we could go either way -- or both in the same game, to really drive the opposing OC nuts.




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    Re: Ravens hire Steve Spagnuolo

    I think I've learned that these coaches may be associated with certain schemes but are able to adapt to what the Ravens do. Zorn is a West Coast Offense guy and he still worked in Cam's Air Coryell scheme. Gregg Mattison is a dyed in the wool 4-3 guy but even as defensive coordinator he adapted to the Ravens personnel and knew better than messing with a good thing.




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    Re: Ravens hire Steve Spagnuolo

    Quote Originally Posted by houstonravensfan View Post
    As to 4-3 or 3-4, looks like we could have so many horses that we could go either way -- or both in the same game, to really drive the opposing OC nuts.
    Deception is at least half the game on both sides of the ball--if you know what your opponents are about to do & they don't know what you're about to do, you have a huuuuuge advantage. Which is why there was such a big to-do over Spygate.




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    Re: Ravens hire Steve Spagnuolo

    Eh as an assistant and extra eyes, I'm for it, but I don't like the feeling of an heir apparent. He made his name from the Giants ultra talented D-line and then failed in STL (not hard to do though) as well as running the Saints defense. I believe the Saints defense was the worse ever in yards allowed.

    Any one know if the rumors of his control issues are true? Knowing that won't happen here, but I don't want any bad mojo to rub off on this team. LOL I'm just being paranoid.




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    I'm indifferent about this hire and kind of surprised at some of the excitement.

    He had one good year. That's it.
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    Re: Ravens hire Steve Spagnuolo

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    If you mean like a 1-15 former HC who no one in the league will ever let within half a mile of a head coach opening again, yeah.
    Everyone forgets his time with the Chargers as OC from 2002-2006 (8-8, 4-12, 12-4, 9-7, 14-2) that gave him the shot at the 2007 Dolphins HC job (1-15) and ultimately the Ravens OC job from 2008-2012 (11-5, 9-7, 12-4, 12-4, 10-6). Those kinds of W-L records will allow a guy to get another shot. We all may have thought that Cam was too conservative with his play calling, but he did a great job (sans 2007) coaching at the NFL level. His first four years as the Ravens OC brought the Ravens to 4 consecutive playoffs, two of those runs took the team to the AFC Championship game, and even though most want to give all of the credit for this years Super Bowl Championship to Jim Caldwell as the OC. The Ravens lost two of the 3 regular season games Caldwell was the OC for. In other words, Jim Caldwell has only won .333 of his regular season games as the Ravens OC, when Cam Cameron won .429 of his regular season games as the Ravens OC.

    Cam Cameron is not as bad as we all like to think, much like Shanahan won so much early on that people are willing to give him a pass on his recent years of sucking as a HC.


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