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  1. #73

    Re: Over the Top Stadium designs



    It's ridiculous to think that every city should eventually have something like Jerry World downtown. I'm not buying that Bisciotti already planted the seed to build a retractable roof stadium or some other monstrosity in Baltimore. In fact, he inherited Modell's sweetheart deal at M&T that runs through to 2026.. That deal includes 100% of concessions, parking and advertising. I will GUARANTEE Bisciotti isn't about to cancel any part of that deal before 2026. A new stadium would wipe the slate clean and take money out of Steve' pocket in the process. Not gonna happen.

    Oh, and I might add.. Biscuit doesn't pay a rent to the city like most teams pay to their respective cities that own the stadiums. That's another part of the sweetheart deal he inherited from Modell.

    My opinion is he's just fine with sitting back with his golden key and also letting the Stadium Authority shell out big bucks for upgrades.
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    I like having outdoor stadiums. This game is supposed to be played in the elements. Part of what makes it great.

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    Re: Over the Top Stadium designs

    Anyone that thinks the State is going to open the check book within the 1st 20 years and write a check for a new stadium is delusional. There was huge controversy the first time and the next time, they are going to try to fix the mistakes made with this lease. The only reason a dome will ever become an issue is if Steve wants a superbowl in Baltimore. But if he or the next owner doesn't care, the next stadium will be open air.

    Also, be prepared that when the Ravens get the green light for a new stadium, we will be at either Towson Stadium or University of Maryland for two to three seasons because they are going to have to implode M&T and start over. There is no where else to put a stadium.

    Having been to other NFL Stadiums, we have a great stadium and are not lagging behind at this point.




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    Re: Over the Top Stadium designs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenboy2003 View Post
    It's ridiculous to think that every city should eventually have something like Jerry World downtown. I'm not buying that Bisciotti already planted the seed to build a retractable roof stadium or some other monstrosity in Baltimore. In fact, he inherited Modell's sweetheart deal at M&T that runs through to 2026.. That deal includes 100% of concessions, parking and advertising. I will GUARANTEE Bisciotti isn't about to cancel any part of that deal before 2026. A new stadium would wipe the slate clean and take money out of Steve' pocket in the process. Not gonna happen.

    Oh, and I might add.. Biscuit doesn't pay a rent to the city like most teams pay to their respective cities that own the stadiums. That's another part of the sweetheart deal he inherited from Modell.

    My opinion is he's just fine with sitting back with his golden key and also letting the Stadium Authority shell out big bucks for upgrades.
    Spot-on. I'd rather have Steve B spending that money as he currently is:

    -- Keeping ticket prices reasonable
    -- Paying Eric DeCosta very well so we have continuity after Oz
    -- Maintaining a large scouting network with ample resources
    -- Ensuring the Ravens training facilities are best-in-class
    -- Buying Super Bowl rings and Lombardi Trophy cases
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  5. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistergq View Post
    Anyone that thinks the State is going to open the check book within the 1st 20 years and write a check for a new stadium is delusional. There was huge controversy the first time and the next time, they are going to try to fix the mistakes made with this lease. The only reason a dome will ever become an issue is if Steve wants a superbowl in Baltimore. But if he or the next owner doesn't care, the next stadium will be open air.

    Also, be prepared that when the Ravens get the green light for a new stadium, we will be at either Towson Stadium or University of Maryland for two to three seasons because they are going to have to implode M&T and start over. There is no where else to put a stadium.

    Having been to other NFL Stadiums, we have a great stadium and are not lagging behind at this point.
    Let's be realistic. That's not happening, especially Towson, which holds less than most Texas high schools stadiums.




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    Re: Over the Top Stadium designs

    Quote Originally Posted by mistergq View Post
    Anyone that thinks the State is going to open the check book within the 1st 20 years and write a check for a new stadium is delusional. There was huge controversy the first time and the next time, they are going to try to fix the mistakes made with this lease.
    What controversy / mistakes surrounded the lease? And why the automatic assumption that the city / state would foot the bill? Bisciotti is a billionaire. I think he can handle the funds himself or with investors.

    Quote Originally Posted by mistergq View Post
    The only reason a dome will ever become an issue is if Steve wants a superbowl in Baltimore. But if he or the next owner doesn't care, the next stadium will be open air.
    Disagree that Bisciotti would be the deciding force behind if the stadium is domed or not nor do I agree that it's an automatic that the next one will be open air.

    A dome would give Baltimore and the city coffers the abiulity to rent out the stadium year round for othert sporting events and making the city a draw for events not named The Super Bowl. We have already seen that the city is willing to spend a little money to draw events such as the Grand Prix. It stands to reason, that if they do agree to spend tax payer money on a new stadium, they'd seek the revenue that a year round stadium can generate.

    Here in Houston, there's events going on all year long in Reliant (concerts, rodeo's, NCAA hoops, collegiate football, etc) and the city reaps the benefits.

    Quote Originally Posted by mistergq View Post
    Also, be prepared that when the Ravens get the green light for a new stadium, we will be at either Towson Stadium or University of Maryland for two to three seasons because they are going to have to implode M&T and start over. There is no where else to put a stadium.
    New Westport would be an excellent sport for a new stadium. There are others along the northern shipping corridor that feeds the Harbor. But I do think they'd want to build again on the same spot, thanks to the new casino.

    No way they could go to Towson. Not enough seating. It would have to be UMD.

    Quote Originally Posted by mistergq View Post
    Having been to other NFL Stadiums, we have a great stadium and are not lagging behind at this point.
    Mista T has been just about all of them and I think he'd agree that ours is middle of the pack. I've been to about a dozen and from my experience, The Vault, while good for many reason, is still very cookie cutter when compared to others.
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    To the person who suggested that the Ravens would play at Towson, you sir just do not understand sports at all.




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    This has been an interesting...albeit fairly hypothetical discussion...some general thoughts for me:

    1. I would like to see the quotes from Bisciotti where he is "making rumblings" or "putting the thought in people's ears" that M&T needs to be replaced anytime soon. I don't remember him saying anything like that, but I could have missed it. If someone has a link, I sure would like to see it.

    2. The era of state-funded stadiums may be over. Most state and local government budgets, unlike the roaring 90s, are now in the red. What's more, I think citizens are going to be much less likely to subsidize a billionaire owner for a new stadium. In particular, I don't believe the citizens of Montgomery and Prince Georges counties will be happy with funding a new Ravens stadium. That is not to say that the state / city won't be very accommodating with zoning, leases, etc. But I think the thought that the state is going to fund a $500 million to $1 billion dollar stadium construction project in this day-and-age may not be realistic.

    3. The notion that a new, state-of-the-art stadium with all the bells and whistles will instantly bring in the year-round, big attractions to Baltimore may be a bit naive. I do not think our city is the destination city for many in the country. The big drawing events will still go to Miami (with its obsolete stadium), to New Orleans (with its 40 year old dome) and to San Diego (with it's "cookie cutter" stadium), among other venues (such as Dallas and Phoenix). Besides, while Baltimore and the Ravens debate whether to build a replacement for M&T, I can almost guarantee you that within 10 years little Danny will have his answer to Jerry's World, and whatever is built in Baltimore will have to compete with it for the major events.




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    Re: Over the Top Stadium designs

    The debacle of the Miami Marlins taxpayer funded stadium probaby is the end of the primarily publicly funded stadium. I think M&T will continue to receive renovations (to include escalators and retrofit dome, if possible) as required to extend it's useful life, but a new stadium will not be supported by the population (most of which never set foot in the seating bowl). The question will be, will the Dolphins go through with the threats to move a team that has a long history in South Florida?
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    Re: Over the Top Stadium designs

    Being in Atlanta, I watched this stadium deal unfold and it really was quite the exercise in backdoor deals, shady politics, and misplaced priorities. Long story short, the wheels were secretly put in motion through tacked on legislative amendments in 2010, giving the Georgia World Congress Authority (the government arm which controls the Dome, and Georgia Congress Center) to use hotel-motel tax money to pay for the stadium and also donate land to the project. The publicly touted figure was $200M with the Falcons picking up the remaining portion of the tab to the tune of $800M. However, with some cratful public financing accounting by the Falcons, the bill will be more in the realm of $500M authorized by the city of Atlanta, after state reps punted passing it to the ATL City council, once they realized how politically toxic approving the measure would be after overwhelming public outcry against the stadium as select details became public. There was some posturing by the Falcons in threatening to move out of the city or even to LA if they didn't get the money, and also public hearings by the council, but the deal was already done. The mayor was in bed with Blank, who really needed the stadium to increase the Falcons value as he does not own the GA Dome. Under the current deal, the new stadium essentially amounts to a gift to Blank as the city will provide majority of funding and he will essentially own it and pocket all event revenue (Final Four, BCS Championships, College Football kickoff weeekend, potential MLS franchise). You can read more here: http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2013/0...r-old-stadium/
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    Quote Originally Posted by 404Blackbird View Post
    Being in Atlanta, I watched this stadium deal unfold and it really was quite the exercise in backdoor deals, shady politics, and misplaced priorities....
    Very interesting. But this is the way it is always done, look at Carolina right now, for instance: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...osed-meetings/

    This is done to minimize the public criticism of what inevitably turns out to be huge welfare payments to billionaire owners.

    The one difference I see in the Ravens case, in addition to the public unwillingness to subsidize the Ravens, I would expect considerable blow-back from the DC area politicians in the state legislature.




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    Re: Over the Top Stadium designs

    From 404Blackbird's link-

    "...and the Georgia Dome, built at a public cost of $214 million in 1992 and renovated for another $300 million in 2007, won’t live to see its 25th birthday."

    Someone ought to go to jail for that. That's just robbery of the taxpaying public. $300 million and not even 6 years later you need a new stadium?!?!?! BS.
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