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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    90% of Native Americans do not find the word "Redskins" offensive.

    Per an AP article ....

    http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/...ins-is-a-slur/
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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    Sports teams do not pick their mascots/names to denigrate anyone, quite the contrary, they are picked because they have characteristics that are admirable, especially for athletes (strength, courage, fierceness, etc.).

    This was the case when the names were chosen and is the case now.

    The faux outrage is a symptom of a much bigger problem in today's society, a problem that is getting worse and worse.




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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    Not according to native Americans. They're the ones who have been trying to change the
    name for years.
    This is incorrect, near 90% (and more in some polls) of Native Americans do not care about the name and do not care if it is changed.

    Stating the whole group would be a bit out of line if a majority of them actually felt the way you claim, but in fact a VERY LARGE MAJORITY feel differently than you claim.

    Your statement would be correct it is was this: Not according to a very small percentage of native Americans. They're the ones who have been trying to change the name for years.




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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    Um that 90% quote is a bit skewed and reminds me of those phony Kerry exit polls that only polled DEM voters and female Dem voters and specifically Hispanic female Dem voters that voted for him. Only certain native nations were polled.

    It hardly polled all the tribes in the country and just quotes a spokesman
    from the Navajo nation. He doesn't speak for the Oneida Indians in the eastern US and they filed the complaint nor does he speak for natives in Alaska which are numerous and never even polled.

    And Goodell also said he's meeting with them and if one person is offended the NFL has to listen.

    And Greg, not according to this representative of the ONeida Nation. He calls OBYs involvement a breakthru in the matter and he's a Native American.

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    The Washington team's name is a painful racial epithet first used against my people when we were held at gunpoint; it is a word that tells our children that they are second-class citizens.”
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    I never gave the %. Just said it was Native Americans trying to change it.
    The title in the link below says the same thing but carry on.





    Here's the history of the proud Oneida Nation which
    saved Washington's army at Valley Forge bringing
    corn to the troops and showing them how to prepare
    it.

    http://www.oneidacountyhistory.org/O...dianNation.asp



    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-redskins-name
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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    As for that 90% poll, people should discount any poll that is so simplistic. As
    Rasmussen always says, it's the wording of the polls that lead to what the pollster
    wants. Context is everything.

    More reasons why the 90% poll could be skewed.

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    and Annenberg didn’t contact anyone from Alaska or Hawaii, two states with large native populations where sensitivity to indigenous-culture issues is likely more pronounced than it is elsewhere.
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    http://newspaperrock.bluecorncomics....are-bogus.html
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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    In this thread are links to polls that show 90% or thereabouts feel just what I stated.

    Can you find one where it isn't near 90%?




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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    I dunno Greg. HR's link talks about 2 tribes out west, the Navajo
    and Sioux. Doesn't mention who else they polled east of the Mississippi plus the link I posted said they didn't poll anyone in Alaska or Hawaii.

    Plus, for being just a few tribes, this subject comes up about every year or almost every year so somebody sure disapproves of it. Do
    you think the Apache nation is honored by the Army naming their
    weapon systems the Apache Helicopter after the US Army decimated
    their entire tribe? Same with the BlackHawks? Have you ever been
    out west to an indian tribe? Many are still bitter towards the white man
    and the Cheyanne and Sioux still hate Custer.


    So who really knows? Believe what you want but the Oneida's are native
    Americans who filed the complaint, not the white man. That was my original point.
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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    And speaking of Navajo's, here's one that filed a federal
    lawsuit to strip the trademark from the team.

    It's from the USA TODAY entitled new generation takes
    up fight. The fight is still raging for many native Americans.

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    Blackhorse is Navajo and a psychiatric social worker and the named plaintiff in Blackhorse et al v. Pro-Football Inc., a federal suit in which a group of five American Indians seek to strip the federal trademark rights from the football team Snyder owns.
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    If's that's just 10% of indians, that's a fighting 10%. Their fever
    is strong after all these years.




    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...fight/2148877/




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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    And speaking of Navajo's, here's one that filed a federal
    lawsuit to strip the trademark from the team.

    It's from the USA TODAY entitled new generation takes
    up fight. The fight is still raging for many native Americans.

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    Blackhorse is Navajo and a psychiatric social worker and the named plaintiff in Blackhorse et al v. Pro-Football Inc., a federal suit in which a group of five American Indians seek to strip the federal trademark rights from the football team Snyder owns.
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    If's that's just 10% of indians, that's a fighting 10%. Their fever
    is strong after all these years.




    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...fight/2148877/
    Read your post closely. It is apparently a "group of five". Not five groups or tribes, just five people (as I read it anyway).




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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    You re-read my post. I never said 5 tribes or 5 anything.
    The link did but story starts out with 1 guy, a Navajo.
    I said here's one guy (a Navajo) filing suit. If he's part of the 10%, he's the fighting 10%. Again, HRs link listed over 500 tribes registered with the Census Bureau. How many of them were polled?

    It only takes one to file a suit although class action suits have multiple plaintiffs. I'd call 5 plaintiffs, multiple, even if they're part of the 10%.

    But this thread now how two tribes making noise about the name - The ONEIDAs and now the Navajo's. And
    again, HRs link shows two tribes with 90% that don't care.


    Blackfhorse's ancestors would be proud of him. Native Americans held off the U.S. Army for about 100 years until Wounded Knee in 1890 and even that wasn't as
    lopsided as everyone says. Indians wiped out 25
    soldiers while going down. They were always tough
    except for HRs 90%.

    http://www.google.com/search?client=...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    Norte Dame have a leprechaun jumping around the sidelines and shadow boxing as their mascot.

    Ah the fighting Irish. Throw in a few stereotypes about drunken Irish too

    Nobody is offended, I don't care anyway. Just a mascot




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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Raven View Post
    Norte Dame have a leprechaun jumping around the sidelines and shadow boxing as their mascot.

    Ah the fighting Irish. Throw in a few stereotypes about drunken Irish too

    Nobody is offended, I don't care anyway. Just a mascot
    Well yes, but we are violent and usually drunk.
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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    I was listening to 105.7 at 7:30 tonight when they had Upshaw on and was surprised they asked him about the
    Skins name.

    He simply said, hey, some people are offended by it.

    That's the way it is.




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    Re: Landover "Redtails"?

    I hope they keep it because it's a stupid name and they're an incompetent organization.

    The only people with red skin are fools who lay in the sun too long without sunblock. That's the reason I don't find it offensive as a name. It just reminds me how stupid racists are.

    If it were my team, I'd feel different and I'd want it changed. But they're a bunch of dipshits and they deserve a dipshit name.

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