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Thread: Landover "Redtails"?
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05-19-2013, 09:32 AM #13Legendary RSR Poster
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05-19-2013, 09:36 AM #14
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05-21-2013, 04:14 PM #15
Re: Landover "Redtails"?
I agree with this. I mean, re: the Cleveland Indians, it's just WEIRD to say a race of humans is your mascot. But the term "redskins"? To me, that's just unconscionable. It's like going from the dubious New Mexico Hispanics (not a real team [I hope]) to the New Mexico Wetbacks, at which point I'd just throw my hands up and walk away.
I doubt this circus would exist if the Washington team had researched and spoken to a local tribe ... instead of not only picking a whole damn race but also picking a pejorative term for the race. For instance, the Washington Powhatans sounds cool, is a local tribe (http://www.native-languages.org/maryland.htm), and it would be good PR to seek out that tribe and talk to it. (But then again, I'm not a Native American. If I were, I might feel differently about that.)My Ravens Blog: Brittany Rants About Football
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05-23-2013, 07:23 PM #16On The Practice Squad
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Re: Landover "Redtails"?
Alright, alright, let the Redskins keep their name. But then how would people feel if the Giants or Jets were renamed to the "New York Jews" or "Harlem Negros"?
The term "Redskin" is offensive. Just like the term "Negro" or even "Jew" (the latter more dependent on connotation). Just because folks like you and me can't see it as being offensive because we're not Indian, does not legitimize the name. I hope the American Indians force the name change.
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05-23-2013, 07:27 PM #17On The Practice Squad
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Re: Landover "Redtails"?
Unless the "compromise" is that the Redskins can adopt that tribe's name, this will not do. What makes a single tribe a sudden spokesman for the entire Indian community? They are as different as French and Germans and English are, so does America conduct business with just Spain on behalf of Europe?
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05-23-2013, 10:15 PM #18Legendary RSR Poster
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I'd like to see some proof to back up your claims here.
Because a senior linguist at the Smithsonian Institute completely disagrees with you.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100201139.html
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05-23-2013, 10:43 PM #19Steve Flacco, Apparently
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Re: Landover "Redtails"?
It's ironic naming tribes to teams, cities and states and especially military weapons
systems after the white man killed them all.
Then they honor them. There's a lot of native Americans out west on reservations today
that still hate Custer and even George Washington killed the Oneida indians after they
fed his army at Valley Forge and all but wiped out the Iriquios sending 5,000 troops in.
Their chief was hit in the back of the head with his own tomahawk. He pulled it out and
gave it to him and he hit him again this time finishing him off. They were very brave
people.
No where was the name REdskins in honor of anyone.
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05-24-2013, 12:10 PM #21
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05-24-2013, 10:21 PM #22
Re: Landover "Redtails"?
I think Rookie is actually on the culturally sensitive side of this. Probably just wrote the first word that came to mind, but for the sake of argument let's imagine s/he said "spooks" or something. The Harlem Spooks. Now there's a team!
Can't prove they don't mean "spooks" as in "ghosts"! It's a term that HONORS ghosts!My Ravens Blog: Brittany Rants About Football
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05-24-2013, 10:28 PM #23
Re: Landover "Redtails"?
Rookie said, "the term 'Redskin' is offensive." You asked them to back up their claims. And then you presented an article where the very first paragraph is this:
For many Americans, both Indian and otherwise, the term "redskin" is a grotesque pejorative, a word that for centuries has been used to disparage and humiliate an entire people, but an exhaustive new study released today makes the case that it did not begin as an insult.
Rookie never mentioned how the word began, they were concerned with how it currently offends people. The link you gave proves Rookie's point in like the first 10 words.My Ravens Blog: Brittany Rants About Football
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05-25-2013, 10:00 AM #24Legendary RSR Poster
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Just because some people see that word as a pejorative (or the author acknowledges such) doesn't mean the word IS a pejorative or, more to the point, that its a word that never honored Native Americans.
I don't think Dan Snyder ought to change anything because a vocal few are applying the word incorrectly, lack the proper historical perspective on the word and when there's a substantial number of Native Americans who are totally fine with it.Last edited by HoustonRaven; 05-25-2013 at 10:06 AM.
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