View Poll Results: Who will be the Ravens' starting LT week one?

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  • Bryant McKinnie

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  • Michael Oher

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  • Kelechi Osemele

    19 38.00%
  • Ramone Harewood

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  • Ricky Wagner

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    Re: Who will be the Ravens' starting LT week one?



    I ended up voting for Osemele. I think they are going to give him a shot. I just don't see them making a big move in free agency or bringing McKinney back. They obviously aren't interested in McKinney beyond anything other than a one year stop gap, and if it comes down to that--which is still a gamble since he hasn't performed at a top level of 16 games in quite a while-- then I get the impression they'd just as soon experiment with Osemele at LT this year. If he works out then he's a huge win for them since they'll have lots of options at guard, including some late cuts.

    While Bobbie Williams wasn't a great answer last year, I wouldn't be adverse to making that same sort of move, or giving the LG job to a younger player. I'm the only one left on the planet who still sees something in Ramone Harewood, but I'd like to see him get a shot at LG if Osemele is the LT. I like Harewood a bit more than Reid for LG.

    Anyone remember when the Ravens tried moving Edwin Mulitalo to right tackle? It reminds me of the Osemele situation. Edwin played left tackle at Arizona, but was thought not to have the feet to play the position in the NFL. So he slipped to the fourth round of the 1999 draft and the Ravens turned him into a solid NFL guard for his first three seasons. In 2002 they were struggling to fill the RT position. The year before Leon Searcy had been signed but blew out his triceps. Then in 2002 they thought they had Marcus Spears signed to play RT but he backed out. That's when they tried moving Edwin there, but he flopped and they ended up playing, gulp, Ethan Brooks there.

    Seems like Osemele all over again. A college LT who played like a stud for the Ravens at LG and now they are nearly forced to try him at tackle. I hope history doesn't repeat itself all the way through.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    It would seem the simpler solution to have KO and Yanda at guard, Oher at RT and to be determined at LT. That would leave one (maybe two) potential weak spots on the line (LT and C), versus 3 (LT, LG, C).
    I agree completely.KO was beaten by edge rushers numerous times at RT last season and it's baffling why anyone would think that he would fare any better at LT.He appears to have the potential to become a dominant OG and they should just leave him alone there and see how he develops.Just as they should have left Oher at RT all along.If anything the constant movement with Oher has caused him to regress from the player that we saw in his rookie season and hopefully they avoid making the same mistake with KO.Since the jury is still out on Gino they basically have 3 solid linemen and just shuffling them around isn't going to create a fourth.Filling one hole by digging one right next to it isn't really solving their problem. It's just shifting it to another spot along the line.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I am not sure it is a smokescreen, but I also am not sure anyone should be optimistic about the results of KO at LT. Sure he is a big young guy with long arms, but he didn't really fare any better than Oher (maybe worse) at RT in his rookie season.

    I voted Oher, despite the fact that the team appears to be looking for something better. If not Oher, then I would guess McKinnie assuming he gets/stays in shape (otherwise maybe a repeat of last year where McKinnie rides bench until crunchtime).

    I definitely agree with wicked that surrounding Gino with a great guard on either side is very appealing, so hopefully KO stays at LG or we find someone better than last year's Jah Reid/Bobby Williams rotation at the spot if KO plays tackle.
    WRT to pass blocking, KO didn't perform all that bad in 2012.
    http://russellstreetreport.com/forum...208#post625208

    However, folks have this idea that KO (once shifted to LG) became a demon in the playoffs. Nope. WRT run blocking according to PFF.com, two of his worst three games came in the playoffs. Ironically, his best run blocking game was the SB. He was a demon that game, no doubt.

    About Oher...his worse deficiency is also his run blocking. It was atrocious in 2012...way worst than his pass blocking. According to PFF.com 3 of his worst 4 run blocking games were in the playoffs. LT, RT, regular season, playoffs...Oher is a productivity hindrance where ever he lines up. His outstanding rookie year, for whatever reason, was a statistical anomaly. Plain and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDL1000 View Post
    I agree completely.KO was beaten by edge rushers numerous times at RT last season and it's baffling why anyone would think that he would fare any better at LT.He appears to have the potential to become a dominant OG and they should just leave him alone there and see how he develops.Just as they should have left Oher at RT all along.If anything the constant movement with Oher has caused him to regress from the player that we saw in his rookie season and hopefully they avoid making the same mistake with KO.Since the jury is still out on Gino they basically have 3 solid linemen and just shuffling them around isn't going to create a fourth.Filling one hole by digging one right next to it isn't really solving their problem. It's just shifting it to another spot along the line.
    Not saying you're wrong, but according to your post the Ravens Oline would be :
    ? - KO - GG - Yanda - Oher. Please tell us who would man LT? ... Bc




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    Re: Who will be the Ravens' starting LT week one?

    Quote Originally Posted by TDL1000 View Post
    I agree completely.KO was beaten by edge rushers numerous times at RT last season and it's baffling why anyone would think that he would fare any better at LT.
    I suppose the counter argument would be the one beat writer Jeff Zrebieck put out there last week...

    Osemele admitted that he had a "shaky" start to his rookie year but he got more comfortable as the season wore on. Playing right tackle, he allowed seven sacks in his first 11 games but none in his final nine, according to Pro Football Focus.
    Of course that sort of glosses over the fact that of the final nine, only five were at RT and four at LG. Still, it does remind us that the guy was a rookie and he did improve even at the tackle spot.

    My preference would be to leave him at guard, let him dominate there, and put a good left tackle next to him. But I don't know that there is a good LT at their disposal.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Not saying you're wrong, but according to your post the Ravens Oline would be :
    ? - KO - GG - Yanda - Oher. Please tell us who would man LT? ... Bc
    Unless they could acquire someone like a Branden Albert without sacrificing an arm and a leg my vote would be for McKinnie on a 1-2 year incentive laden deal.He would still be less of a question mark at LT than KO would simply because he has actually played the position in the NFL and at times been quite successful at it.What's the back up plan if they go with KO and four games into the season they realize he can cut it?

    Oher? Yikes.

    Move your starting LG to LT and if he doesn't work out there move him back and then move your starting RT to LT and insert ? at RT?

    That is a recipe for disaster.
    Last edited by TDL1000; 04-30-2013 at 12:32 PM.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I'm not a huge McKinnie fan, but only because I think he's a lazy piece who couldn't care less about winning.

    That said, I do think he is a better LT than Oher and I am all for any scenario that keeps Oher at RT and keeps Osemele at LG. Osemele was really solid as a RT last year, which leads me to believe that he may be able to handle the LT position. However, when he moved to LG he was lights out. I think KO could be Carl Nicks good at LG.

    Who knows? Maybe Ricky Wagner shocks the world and goes from afterthought OT prospect to starting LT?
    I agree with all of this but I'm trying to get used to the idea that KO may end being the best option. He's untested there and I'm concerned that a very good LG becomes a horrible LT. I'm hopeful we can still get someone else and keep KO at guard and Oher away from LT. Wagner is definitely a longshot but that would be a welcomed surprise.




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    Quote Originally Posted by TDL1000 View Post
    I agree completely.KO was beaten by edge rushers numerous times at RT last season and it's baffling why anyone would think that he would fare any better at LT.He appears to have the potential to become a dominant OG and they should just leave him alone there and see how he develops.Just as they should have left Oher at RT all along.If anything the constant movement with Oher has caused him to regress from the player that we saw in his rookie season and hopefully they avoid making the same mistake with KO.Since the jury is still out on Gino they basically have 3 solid linemen and just shuffling them around isn't going to create a fourth.Filling one hole by digging one right next to it isn't really solving their problem. It's just shifting it to another spot along the line.
    A heavy, rookie, former OG should have struggled at either tackle spot. Makes perfect sense. So maybe a lighter, and a bit more experienced former RT (who handled pass pro pretty well all year save for 3 games) can perform rather well at LT.

    And as I imply in my previous post, I don't buy the conventional wisdom around Oher and how the constant re-positioning has affected his performance. He just isn't a good tackle...and certainly, unless something within him changes this OS and performs like frikkin 1st rounder again, he certainly isn't worth the $4-$6M/yr that he will most likely be offered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    A heavy, rookie, former OG should have struggled at either tackle spot. Makes perfect sense. So maybe a lighter, and a bit more experienced former RT (who handled pass pro pretty well all year save for 3 games) can perform rather well at LT.

    And as I imply in my previous post, I don't buy the conventional wisdom around Oher and how the constant re-positioning has affected his performance. He just isn't a good tackle...and certainly, unless something within him changes this OS and performs like frikkin 1st rounder again, he certainly isn't worth the $4-$6M/yr that he will most likely be offered.
    1) KO has played LT before. He started at LT at Iowa State. So, it isn't like he has zero experience at tackle (not that you are implying that).

    2) I have often wondered if Oher would have been better as a guard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Left Tackles get paid on average almost triple what a Guard does and double what a RT does. Any player who has a chance to play LT is going to take it.
    not true. Top end guards are in the $7-8m range... top end LT's nearer $10m and top end RT's nearer $5-6m except for Anthony Davis who got like $7m, but that is an outlier.




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    I answered someone else. I'm holding out hope one of the teams that just drafted an early tackle(or acuired a top FA) will move on from their previous option.
    To me, that is Saffold, Monroe or Peters.
    That would be an Ozzie type move.




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    Re: Who will be the Ravens' starting LT week one?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    not true. Top end guards are in the $7-8m range... top end LT's nearer $10m and top end RT's nearer $5-6m except for Anthony Davis who got like $7m, but that is an outlier.
    That's why I put on average. There was a PFF article on it that someone had a link for. Search through the threads and you'll find it.
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    Roger Saffold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    WRT to pass blocking, KO didn't perform all that bad in 2012.
    http://russellstreetreport.com/forum...208#post625208

    However, folks have this idea that KO (once shifted to LG) became a demon in the playoffs. Nope. WRT run blocking according to PFF.com, two of his worst three games came in the playoffs. Ironically, his best run blocking game was the SB. He was a demon that game, no doubt.

    About Oher...his worse deficiency is also his run blocking. It was atrocious in 2012...way worst than his pass blocking. According to PFF.com 3 of his worst 4 run blocking games were in the playoffs. LT, RT, regular season, playoffs...Oher is a productivity hindrance where ever he lines up. His outstanding rookie year, for whatever reason, was a statistical anomaly. Plain and simple.
    I am not sure it makes any sense to just ignore the three worst games a player had then compare him to other players without removing their three worst games. Obviously KO was a rookie, but so was 2009 Oher who is being used in the comparison. The point being, why is KO expected to improve from average-at-best at RT when he starts playing LT? Oher didn't and he played decently at RT in 2009.

    As for switching around affecting Oher, I am not sure it can be dismissed. Everything about the move is different. Different steps, punch, etc. Opposite leg, hand, etc for every drop. Reps and continuity has to help, imo. Switching back and forth cannot help; whether it hurts a lot or very little is debatable.

    And as for PFF, last I looked Oher graded better at run blocking for 2012 than pass blocking, but maybe things are different with subscribers' info (I only look at free stuff).

    The bottomline is, I think everyone agrees we would like a better LT than Oher, but too often people exaggerate his struggles and ignore the struggles of the supposed replacements (or even other team's tackles). McKinnie had a worse year in 2011 than Oher did according to PFF, yet you wouldn't know it when people discuss McKinnie. McKinnie also didn't light the world on fire in the playoffs last year, allowing several sacks in the handful of games.

    I also think, as last year's playoffs showed, that offensive schemes and playcalling can vastly improve the O-line performance even with similar O-line effort/talent. Our O-linemen suffered from Cameron's offense (the same as our WRs and QB did), and looking at Time-to-Sack stats shows this (ours were very bad/long). When statisticians grade O-linemen primarily on pressures/sacks, and when a team's offense cannot figure out who to throw to as fast as other team's offenses, then that team's O-linemen will rack up more pressure/sack instances than their peers because they are asked to block longer.

    We dont really have any great options at LT, imo, if we are talking about players on the 2012 Ravens roster. But hopefully KO will prove me wrong when he gets his chance, or we will pick up someone new (we need to anyway for at least one position, imo).




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    Re: Who will be the Ravens' starting LT week one?

    I think I'm more concerned with LG if KO gets moved than I am KO playing LT, although, again, I have concerns about that. Who realistically is their LG? Jah Reid? I mean he was better than Williams and Harewood, but is it realistic to expect success with a KO/Reid/Gino/Yanda/Oher line? That sounds awful to me. That's a lot of question marks in front of your 120million man.

    What I think happens...assuming no McKinnie...they'll go forward with this lineup until preseason and see how it looks. If it's as disastrous as it sounds (to me) right now, they'll make changes at that point with a scrap heap veteran like Williams, Moll, Anderson, McKinnie in years past. Maybe they'll end up with a guy like the last two, who can provide something adequate for a season or two. Maybe they'll end up with a guy like the first two, who give you nothing. Just have to wait and see. They have put themselves in this position.




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