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    Re: WRs the Ravens could trade for



    Quote Originally Posted by ballhawk View Post
    Why? Is he a bad teammate or something? I ask because I honestly don't know. He had few good years in Denver.
    As Leach said, just take a look at how many teams he's been on...going on 8 different teams in 11 years. Every single one of those teams needed WR help and rushed him out the door.

    I don't know any specifics (other than I cannot find a fan of a team that he was on that actually liked him other than Broncos fans), but I know that is a big enough red flag that I want no part of him.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ballhawk View Post
    Kinda like Bernard Pollard I guess. Good player but not so good that anybody how's to any lengths to keep him around.
    His situation is much worse than Pollard's IMHO. At least Pollard lasts for 2 years.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    As Leach said, just take a look at how many teams he's been on...going on 8 different teams in 11 years. Every single one of those teams needed WR help and rushed him out the door.

    I don't know any specifics (other than I cannot find a fan of a team that he was on that actually liked him other than Broncos fans), but I know that is a big enough red flag that I want no part of him.
    Oh my goodness. Didn't realize he had bounced around to so many different teams. Definstely a red flag.




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    Re: WRs the Ravens could trade for

    Some FA WRs:

    Laurent Robinson (concussions)
    Titus Young (insane)

    Laurent Robinson was kicking ass with Tony Romo the year before last. I wouldn't be opposed to giving him a shot.

    As for Titus...it seems now the Ravens really don't care how much talent a guy has if he is a knucklehead...(except for McClain who somehow gets a pass...at least for now).

    I'm still kinda pissed they didn't sign Da'Rick Rogers as a UDFA. They took a similar chance with Jimmy Smith, and Smith was riskier because he was a 1st rd. pick. Signing Rogers as a UDFA for peanuts is a no-brainer to me.

    I guess with all of the veterans that left they don't want to bring in anyone that might rock the boat.
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    Laurent Robinson has a ton of talent but is always hurt. As a #3/#4 receiver, he can certainly be effective like he was in Dallas. Jacksonville tried to use him as a starter and he just isnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Laurent Robinson has a ton of talent but is always hurt. As a #3/#4 receiver, he can certainly be effective like he was in Dallas. Jacksonville tried to use him as a starter and he just isnt.

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    Ed Dickson is certainly indemand


    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    BUF Stevie Johnson: new regime in BUF, rebuilding, they just picked up 3 good WRs in the draft, they need TE help. We could trade them Ed Dickson and a pick. Unlikely though because he just signed a new 5 year deal in 2012 for over $35M.

    PHI Jeremy Maclin: doesn't fit Kelly's offense. Even though PHI is loaded at TE, we could try to trade them Ed Dickson and a pick, maybe Kelly would want to be reunited. 2014 Free Agent.

    OAK Denarius Moore: OAK in complete rebuild mode. Moore in back end of his rookie deal. Once again, trade them Ed Dickson and picks. They need picks. Or one of our young WRs.

    All 3 have had various injury issues.

    Feel free to list your own targets.




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    Quote Originally Posted by duffybr View Post
    Ed Dickson is certainly indemand
    Where are you seeing that Ed Dickson is in demand?

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    I doubt they'll trade for a WR.
    They seem to be committed to a team-wide youth movement.
    I also doubt it's a coincidence that they signed 2 UDFA WRs: Gerard Sheppard & Omarius Hines, who are physically comparable in size to Boldin, only faster.




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    Re: WRs the Ravens could trade for

    I'm cool with the wait and see approach. There weren't too many WRs in the draft that we didn't already physically have on the team in a sense. I'm also of the thought that the QB can make a young group of WRs better (the I believe in you enough to throw you the ball factor) that in turn makes a young player want to step up. As Ozzie always says, there are always football players.

    They will almost surely take at least a look in the 2nd FA market if a player comes available. Its just in their M.O. to do so.


    If it makes some of you feel better, Pitta is their new slot WR. Which is probably not really that far off.




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    Re: WRs the Ravens could trade for

    Quote Originally Posted by PerpetuallyBored74 View Post
    I doubt they'll trade for a WR.
    They seem to be committed to a team-wide youth movement.
    I also doubt it's a coincidence that they signed 2 UDFA WRs: Gerard Sheppard & Omarius Hines, who are physically comparable in size to Boldin, only faster.
    And don't forget the TE from MD as depth there in case they move Pitta to the slot.

    Ravens aren't gonna trade for a WR. They made it clear they like what they have and it will
    be either Doss or Thompson on opening day.




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    Re: WRs the Ravens could trade for

    I am going to harp on this all off-season. Give the young WRs a chance. We are talking about FA WRs and making trades for veterans. None of them got to where they were today, until they got a chance during the regular season to build a reputation. For example, from what we saw of Deonte Thompson catching passes from Tyrod Taylor, you don't think he could make explosive plays catching passes from Joe Flacco? However, we all know he wasn't going to get that chance with Boldin on the roster. That doesn't mean he can't do it.
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    Re: WRs the Ravens could trade for

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    I am going to harp on this all off-season. Give the young WRs a chance. We are talking about FA WRs and making trades for veterans. None of them got to where they were today, until they got a chance during the regular season to build a reputation. For example, from what we saw of Deonte Thompson catching passes from Tyrod Taylor, you don't think he could make explosive plays catching passes from Joe Flacco? However, we all know he wasn't going to get that chance with Boldin on the roster. That doesn't mean he can't do it.
    I am most hopeful for Thompson. But I realize he was probably a UDFA for a reason.

    We are relying on a group of players selected in the 4th rd. or later, some of whom weren't even drafted. The odds are against them.

    Yes, many of them haven't gotten many snaps due to health. But if they can't stay healthy it doesn't really matter how much potential they have.

    If Ozzie and crew don't like what they see in camp I'd bet they trade for a known WR. The precedent has been set via Boldin and Evans.




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    Re: WRs the Ravens could trade for

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post

    We are relying on a group of players selected in the 4th rd. or later, some of whom weren't even drafted.
    Not every player on the team can be a 1st round pick.

    Lets see what Caldwell can do. The Colts had a history of bringing in no name guys and making them productive: Pierre Garcon (6th round) and Austin Collie (4th round) come to mind.

    Also, if you want to talk about UDFA receivers... Look at Wes Welker. Why was he an UDFA? The draft process isn't perfect. Some guys slip through the cracks.
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    Re: WRs the Ravens could trade for

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Not every player on the team can be a 1st round pick.

    Lets see what Caldwell can do. The Colts had a history of bringing in no name guys and making them productive: Pierre Garcon (6th round) and Austin Collie (4th round) come to mind.
    If Cameron were still around I would be much more pessimistic.

    Caldwell is one of the few reasons I am hopeful that one of these guys can turn into a bonafide starter. But how much was Caldwell and how much was Peyton?

    I have to admit this group of WRs kind of reminds me of the O's pitching "cavalry" - players that just can't put it together (and in the O's case it was even worse since those guys actually were high picks).




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