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    Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown



    http://www.profootballcentral.com/20...-2/#more-15595

    I hope this turns out to be true!




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    Re: Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown

    So this mock has Brown being the pick over...(looks at board).....Minter, Hopkins, Allen, Woods, Sylvester Williams, Jesse Williams, Hankins, Watson, Pugh, Carradine, Moore and the 2nd best TE whoever that may be.

    I like Brown, really. Not sure that Ozzie would take him over either DT Williams, especially Sylvester who would be a freakin' steal at 32. Or the best of those three WRs there (take your pick).




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    Quote Originally Posted by ursula View Post
    So this mock has Brown being the pick over...(looks at board).....Minter, Hopkins, Allen, Woods, Sylvester Williams, Jesse Williams, Hankins, Watson, Pugh, Carradine, Moore and the 2nd best TE whoever that may be.

    I like Brown, really. Not sure that Ozzie would take him over either DT Williams, especially Sylvester who would be a freakin' steal at 32. Or the best of those three WRs there (take your pick).
    I'd take him over Williams.

    They are about the same level of prospect.


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    Re: Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown

    Seriously guys, Arthur Brown would be a great pick at 32, this guy's upside is enormous.




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    Re: Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown

    Actually looking at that list of possible picks at 32 I posted above, it would make sense to trade down. Too many good players who are about the same quality will be available at 32 to need to jump on one of them. Yeah that includes Arthur Brown. Might as well get him or someone else a bit later. Get a team that is desperate for a QB or is in love with one particular to trade up and we pocket a 3rd or 4th rounder. Then use that pick and move up from 62 or 94 and/or 129.

    This is why I can't post a mock for the Ravens: it is now so so obvious that the Ravens will make multiple trades that the picks that we end up making will be quite different than the picks we have now.




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    Re: Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I'd take him over Williams.

    They are about the same level of prospect.


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    I like Brown, but Sly Williams at 32 is robbery.
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    Re: Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by ursula View Post
    So this mock has Brown being the pick over...(looks at board).....Minter, Hopkins, Allen, Woods, Sylvester Williams, Jesse Williams, Hankins, Watson, Pugh, Carradine, Moore and the 2nd best TE whoever that may be.

    I like Brown, really. Not sure that Ozzie would take him over either DT Williams, especially Sylvester who would be a freakin' steal at 32. Or the best of those three WRs there (take your pick).
    Of the 12 players listed by name there, Arthur Brown is not in the top 5. Sylvester Williams is a top-15 caliber talent. Hopkins, Carradine, Moore, and Allen top-20. I would say it's a toss-up between Brown, Minter, and Watson at the next tier, and I'm not even sure Brown is a better prospect than Minter.

    If the board looked like that at #32, Ozzie would probably be furiously trying to trade back. It would be hard for me to pass up on Sylvester Williams at that spot but he doesn't fit our defense. He's a pass-rushing 3-tech tackle, but if we ran more 4-3 fronts he'd be a great piece to add to Canty, Ngata, McPhee, and Jones at DT. I'm not sure we wouldn't get a better value trading back a few spots.




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    By signature of a very strong NDA, I'd love to be in our war room for Draft weekend. Especially this one, with all of its parity.
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    Re: Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    By signature of a very strong NDA, I'd love to be in our war room for Draft weekend. Especially this one, with all of its parity.

    +1,000,000,000

    Imagine-just being in viewing booth of the War Room watching the Ravens slowly going crazy with all that talent dropping to them. I'd love love love that.




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    Re: Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Of the 12 players listed by name there, Arthur Brown is not in the top 5. Sylvester Williams is a top-15 caliber talent. Hopkins, Carradine, Moore, and Allen top-20. I would say it's a toss-up between Brown, Minter, and Watson at the next tier, and I'm not even sure Brown is a better prospect than Minter.

    If the board looked like that at #32, Ozzie would probably be furiously trying to trade back. It would be hard for me to pass up on Sylvester Williams at that spot but he doesn't fit our defense. He's a pass-rushing 3-tech tackle, but if we ran more 4-3 fronts he'd be a great piece to add to Canty, Ngata, McPhee, and Jones at DT. I'm not sure we wouldn't get a better value trading back a few spots.
    I really still can't even grasp how you rank brown so low, still can't get my head around it, now your even saying he's not as good as minter. Have you just watched that one Oregon game?




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    Re: Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown

    Arthur Brown vs Oklahoma is the game you all should be watching.




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    Re: Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Arthur Brown vs Oklahoma is the game you all should be watching.
    he was dominate last yr against Baylor ans rg3 aswell. I've watched about 12 or so games from last couple years




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    Re: Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    I really still can't even grasp how you rank brown so low, still can't get my head around it, now your even saying he's not as good as minter. Have you just watched that one Oregon game?
    I've watched 7 games worth of tape on Brown and my evaluation isn't changing because you don't agree with it. Doesn't mean I'm right, obviously you've watched more of Brown than I have, but you've said that you haven't even watched ANY tape of Alec Ogletree... who else haven't you watched? Have you even watched Minter's tape? If you've watched everyone's tape and you just like Arthur Brown the best, fine, but that's not the sense I get from you. Every post on these threads is just you banging the table for a handful of guys since day 1 with no justification or explanation.

    Prospect rankings are relative, not absolute. I evaluate Arthur Brown relative to the other players in his class both at his position and overall. I didn't say Minter was better than Brown, I think they're probably about equal overall. They just don't do the same things well--Minter is far more physical and tough, Brown is faster. Minter is technically more advanced than Brown and more ready to play 3-4 ILB right out of the gate. I think Brown is going to have a tough learning curve when he can't be totally reliant on his athleticism to make up for missteps (although FWIW, Alec Ogletree has the exact same issue.)

    I've given solid, concrete reasons for my evaluation, and I've seen at least 6+ games worth of tape on all my top ILB prospects in the class. Arthur Brown is a good player, and I think he has nice potential for the NFL, but he's not a good fit for a pure 3-4 team and at any position other than 4-3 WILL he's going to have a learning curve in the NFL. That doesn't mean he sucks, he could EASILY turn out to be the top non-pass rushing LB from this class in 5 years, but how he's used and how he develops is going to be the difference with him.




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    Re: Latest Pro Football Central mock: Ravens get Arthur Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I've watched 7 games worth of tape on Brown and my evaluation isn't changing because you don't agree with it. Doesn't mean I'm right, obviously you've watched more of Brown than I have, but you've said that you haven't even watched ANY tape of Alec Ogletree... who else haven't you watched? Have you even watched Minter's tape? If you've watched everyone's tape and you just like Arthur Brown the best, fine, but that's not the sense I get from you. Every post on these threads is just you banging the table for a handful of guys since day 1 with no justification or explanation.

    Prospect rankings are relative, not absolute. I evaluate Arthur Brown relative to the other players in his class both at his position and overall. I didn't say Minter was better than Brown, I think they're probably about equal overall. They just don't do the same things well--Minter is far more physical and tough, Brown is faster. Minter is technically more advanced than Brown and more ready to play 3-4 ILB right out of the gate. I think Brown is going to have a tough learning curve when he can't be totally reliant on his athleticism to make up for missteps (although FWIW, Alec Ogletree has the exact same issue.)

    I've given solid, concrete reasons for my evaluation, and I've seen at least 6+ games worth of tape on all my top ILB prospects in the class. Arthur Brown is a good player, and I think he has nice potential for the NFL, but he's not a good fit for a pure 3-4 team and at any position other than 4-3 WILL he's going to have a learning curve in the NFL. That doesn't mean he sucks, he could EASILY turn out to be the top non-pass rushing LB from this class in 5 years, but how he's used and how he develops is going to be the difference with him.
    I wasnt having a go at you, I'm just in shock how two people can watch the same tape and come away with contrasting opinions, wasnt a slight at you in anyway.

    I have watched minter and he does quite a few things well but nothing great or amazing for me to make me want him in the first. I think he will only be average and with the first round pick I want someone who does something to an elite level, much like how you described the wideout scenario. Arthur brown will be an elite pass defender from MLB. Teo has elite instincts and that outs him above minter for me. Greene again I think will be a very very good pass defender in this league but not quite the run defender I think brown will be, so again I have him ahead of minter who just seems like a jack of all trades master of none type.

    And no I haven't watched ogletree and hence why I don't comment on him.

    And the reason I don't go into big long posts summarising what I've seen is because I post from mobile and this site is horrible on the phone, I hate writing long posts, this one write here is as long as you'll get from me on this site. I feel saying I like such and such is enough. Til all be worthless anyway because 9 times out of 10 the players we think they should draft aren't the picks they make come draft day. I don't have the time or patience to write detailed evaluations of what I see and think.

    I like plenty of players, dislike a lot more, then I have some that I've fallen in love with, forgive me for keep going on about them, I didnt know my football knowledge was being judged by the length of my posts.




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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    I wasnt having a go at you, I'm just in shock how two people can watch the same tape and come away with contrasting opinions, wasnt a slight at you in anyway.

    I have watched minter and he does quite a few things well but nothing great or amazing for me to make me want him in the first. I think he will only be average and with the first round pick I want someone who does something to an elite level, much like how you described the wideout scenario. Arthur brown will be an elite pass defender from MLB. Teo has elite instincts and that outs him above minter for me. Greene again I think will be a very very good pass defender in this league but not quite the run defender I think brown will be, so again I have him ahead of minter who just seems like a jack of all trades master of none type.

    And no I haven't watched ogletree and hence why I don't comment on him.

    And the reason I don't go into big long posts summarising what I've seen is because I post from mobile and this site is horrible on the phone, I hate writing long posts, this one write here is as long as you'll get from me on this site. I feel saying I like such and such is enough. Til all be worthless anyway because 9 times out of 10 the players we think they should draft aren't the picks they make come draft day. I don't have the time or patience to write detailed evaluations of what I see and think.

    I like plenty of players, dislike a lot more, then I have some that I've fallen in love with, forgive me for keep going on about them, I didnt know my football knowledge was being judged by the length of my posts.
    Hey, I wasn't having a go at you either, nor do I judge your football knowledge from the length of your posts. I was just under the impression that you hadn't really compared Brown's tape to other prospects, but you've clarified that and now I know I was wrong in that respect.

    I actually agree with a lot of your evaluations, clearly your football knowledge is not at all in question. I agree that Minter is not really worth a first round pick. I also agree that Brown has the potential to be a great pass defending ILB, and if the Ravens draft him I think he would start out as a nickel-type MLB until he develops his instincts and physicality between the tackles. I still think he's better as a 4-3 WILL but like Minter I would take him in the 2nd if I were the Ravens although he won't be there at #62.

    I agree that Te'o's instincts are at the top of the class. I do think Greene is a very good run defender, you might be underrating him a bit in that aspect, and honestly the way you are with Arthur Brown, I probably am that way with Khaseem Greene. He is one of "my guys" and I love how he just makes plays. That's another thing I just haven't really seen out of Arthur Brown--zero career forced fumbles, zero career fumble recoveries, etc. although as I've said in other posts the Kansas State defense mostly asked Brown to stay back and read and react rather than make plays, so that's not totally his fault. I just wish he was more physical and had a better nose for the ball.

    Honestly I would be very happy if the Ravens drafted ANY of Te'o, Brown, Minter, Greene, or Sio Moore, I just don't really think the Ravens should spend a 1st rounder on any of them, nor do I think other teams will. I think one of those guys will be available deep in the 2nd even if it requires a small trade up and that's what I'd like to see happen. There are also numerous later-round prospects I like a lot at ILB like Steve Beauharnais, AJ Klein, and Keith Pough.




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