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    Re: Is having a great LT overrated?



    The last SB champs, NY GIANTS, just signed their LT, Will Beatty to a $38M contract. He's not a pro bowler or franchise LT but is very athletic and a solid pass protector protecting Eli's blind side.

    So the bottom line is, the last 3 of 4 LTs in the last 2 SB have been pro bowlers from 07-12 (Light, MacKinnie and Staley) and the one who isn't (Beatty) is very athletic and very, very good at protecting the blind side. Shows how important strong LTs are.

    And don't forget Denver, another 2012 playoff team with a pro bowler LT in Ryan Clady. He played vs us but didn't give up any sacks while losing. He's a 3 time pro bowler and has started in 80 straight games although he missed this years pro bowl game due to an injury.

    That's 3 2012 playoff teams with pro bowl LTs protecting the blind side.

    Someone is mixing apples with oranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    See, you're taking to a complete extreme.
    This is what you do; arguing that someone takes it to extremes when you don't like what he says. I can pull up your posts where you argued with film study's grades. You posted that thread the day after we lost the opener in Philly and the day after Oher almost got Joe killed. I didn't call you any names and would have been whacked if I did and I don't send any nasty PMs because I'd get nuked for that too. As I said in your PM, I didn't even know it was your thread. I was just disagreeing like I am now. You were pissed after I called that thread up after Film Study blasted the o-line with poor grades.

    It was no coincidence we started winning when McKinnie was inserted and KO and Oher
    were moved over.

    And of course the play calling is important. It's everything. We still won the SB with CAMs offense which won a ton of games here as HARBs always said but there was a big difference with Caldwell changing some things in it and calling the plays like using the middle of the field more and spreading things out with 3 set receivers to open up the middle for Pitta's TD.
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    And there might be panic in Atlanta which was the last 2012 playoff team not mentioned here.
    They just cut their LT, Tyson Clabo due to salary cap just like Ravens got rid of Boldin and
    Reed.

    But note article says: TIME TO PANIC AT CRUCIAL POSITION?

    IT BEGINS AND ENDS AT CRUCIAL SPOT (LT).


    SOME SAY IT'S THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN FOOTBALL NEXT TO THE QB.

    THE BEST LTs IN THE DRAFT GO IN THE TOP 5 ROUNDS SO THEY MUST BE IMPORTANT.

    And last but not least, Oher's book and movie begins by saying how important the
    LT job is at protecting the blind side. The title is: THE BLIND SIDE.
    Both the book and movie desribe how Joe Theisman's career was ended because of the
    blind side and the movie showed actual film footage of Taylor's hit with Frank Gifford
    saying don't look if you have a weak stomach. Theisman's bone is sticking straight thru his leg.

    I know the game has changed but just ask Theisman how important the LT is. Then
    ask Joe Flacco and maybe the game hasn't changed that much. Flacco would love to
    have a young JO protecting his blind side instead of what he has. So would Matt
    Ryan in Atlanta and Rivers in SD.



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    IMO LT is of greater importance for us due to our offensive system. We don't dink and dunk that much, the offense relies on giving the receivers time to get open at intermediate and deep levels of the field.

    Whether this philosophy changes somewhat under Caldwell, we'll see this coming season.
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    Re: Is having a great LT overrated?

    I think these days it's less of a need to have an elite LT, as it is to have an above average to good overall line. To counter the proliferation of the passing game, teams are putting more emphasis into developing pass rushers and coming up with elaborate schemes that bring pressure from different places. As such it is devaluing the LT position as a point of emphasis.

    You may have an outstanding LT who is locking down the blind side, but if the rest of his linemates are becoming overwhelmed, then it's all going to go very wrong and quickly. Therefore it's simply not worth investing so much in the LT at the expense of the other positions.
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    Re: Is having a great LT overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    The last SB champs, NY GIANTS, just signed their LT, Will Beatty to a $38M contract. He's not a pro bowler or franchise LT but is very athletic and a solid pass protector protecting Eli's blind side.

    So the bottom line is, the last 3 of 4 LTs in the last 2 SB have been pro bowlers from 07-12 (Light, MacKinnie and Staley) and the one who isn't (Beatty) is very athletic and very, very good at protecting the blind side. Shows how important strong LTs are.

    And don't forget Denver, another 2012 playoff team with a pro bowler LT in Ryan Clady. He played vs us but didn't give up any sacks while losing. He's a 3 time pro bowler and has started in 80 straight games although he missed this years pro bowl game due to an injury.

    That's 3 2012 playoff teams with pro bowl LTs protecting the blind side.

    Someone is mixing apples with oranges.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giant...BAyWXVxdHGjeoJ
    Beatty was injured in the play offs IIRC, and they had to play their guard at OT, and he was awful. Beatty only really turned it on last year and earned that contract, and I think he's on his way to becoming a premium OT in the NFL, and he's certainly at this point in his career, better than McKinnie. You say McKinnie is a pro bowler, and while that is true, he hasn't been to the pro bowl since 2009 I believe, and he isn't close to the same player he was back then. Matt Light was a pretty good player in his time, but like McKinnie, he wasn't as good in his later years, and the Patriots still didn't win the SB. The 49ers didn't win either, Joe Staley is obviously a really great player who I WISH we got over Ben Grubbs back in 07, that was a frustrating draft. The actual SB winners only had average at best OTs starting, and did fine.

    Don't get me wrong, I actually really want McKinnie back on a 1/2 year deal, not just because he's our best option at LT, and that he's still pretty good, but because it just fits everyone into their natural positions. Having KO and Yanda in the middle, Oher at RT, and McKinnie at LT, would probably make this a top 5 unit like it was in the play offs, I really don't want to miss out on that opportunity, because it was great having that luxury from 08-09. I just love being able to dominant in the trenches on both sides of the ball, that's where the games won. Our Dline is fixed, now fix the Oline.




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    Re: Is having a great LT overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    And there might be panic in Atlanta which was the last 2012 playoff team not mentioned here.
    They just cut their LT, Tyson Clabo due to salary cap just like Ravens got rid of Boldin and
    Reed.

    But note article says: TIME TO PANIC AT CRUCIAL POSITION?

    IT BEGINS AND ENDS AT CRUCIAL SPOT (LT).


    SOME SAY IT'S THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN FOOTBALL NEXT TO THE QB.

    THE BEST LTs IN THE DRAFT GO IN THE TOP 5 ROUNDS SO THEY MUST BE IMPORTANT.

    And last but not least, Oher's book and movie begins by saying how important the
    LT job is at protecting the blind side. The title is: THE BLIND SIDE.
    Both the book and movie desribe how Joe Theisman's career was ended because of the
    blind side and the movie showed actual film footage of Taylor's hit with Frank Gifford
    saying don't look if you have a weak stomach. Theisman's bone is sticking straight thru his leg.

    I know the game has changed but just ask Theisman how important the LT is. Then
    ask Joe Flacco and maybe the game hasn't changed that much. Flacco would love to
    have a young JO protecting his blind side instead of what he has. So would Matt
    Ryan in Atlanta and Rivers in SD.



    http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons...t-left-tackle/
    Tyson Clabo was their RT.

    Sam Baker is their LT...who they just re-signed...to a multi-year deal...who has also never been to a pro-bowl.


    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco
    And last but not least, Oher's book and movie begins by saying how important the
    LT job is at protecting the blind side. The title is: THE BLIND SIDE.
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    Re: Is having a great LT overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ctulb View Post
    IMO LT is of greater importance for us due to our offensive system. We don't dink and dunk that much, the offense relies on giving the receivers time to get open at intermediate and deep levels of the field.

    Whether this philosophy changes somewhat under Caldwell, we'll see this coming season.
    We have no idea how the offensive philosophy is going to shift under Caldwell. However, what we do know is that his game plan (using the system that was in place) and his play calling seem to play more to the strengths of the offensive personnel.
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    Re: Is having a great LT overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    The last SB champs, NY GIANTS, just signed their LT, Will Beatty to a $38M contract. He's not a pro bowler or franchise LT but is very athletic and a solid pass protector protecting Eli's blind side.

    So the bottom line is, the last 3 of 4 LTs in the last 2 SB have been pro bowlers from 07-12 (Light, MacKinnie and Staley) and the one who isn't (Beatty) is very athletic and very, very good at protecting the blind side. Shows how important strong LTs are.

    And don't forget Denver, another 2012 playoff team with a pro bowler LT in Ryan Clady. He played vs us but didn't give up any sacks while losing. He's a 3 time pro bowler and has started in 80 straight games although he missed this years pro bowl game due to an injury.

    That's 3 2012 playoff teams with pro bowl LTs protecting the blind side.

    Someone is mixing apples with oranges.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giant...BAyWXVxdHGjeoJ
    Oh, you mean that same LT who they IR'ed in November of that Super Bowl year?
    http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=9&c...&fhn=1&yr=2009

    David Diehl played LT for the Giants the rest of that season, into the playoffs, and in the Super Bowl. And he was pretty bad.

    Thanks for further supporting my argument.

    Also, last year was the first season that Beatty actually played pretty well...and it didn't seem to help the Giants much, huh?
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    Re: Is having a great LT overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Beatty was injured in the play offs IIRC, and they had to play their guard at OT, and he was awful. Beatty only really turned it on last year and earned that contract, and I think he's on his way to becoming a premium OT in the NFL, and he's certainly at this point in his career, better than McKinnie. You say McKinnie is a pro bowler, and while that is true, he hasn't been to the pro bowl since 2009 I believe, and he isn't close to the same player he was back then. Matt Light was a pretty good player in his time, but like McKinnie, he wasn't as good in his later years, and the Patriots still didn't win the SB. The 49ers didn't win either, Joe Staley is obviously a really great player who I WISH we got over Ben Grubbs back in 07, that was a frustrating draft. The actual SB winners only had average at best OTs starting, and did fine.

    Don't get me wrong, I actually really want McKinnie back on a 1/2 year deal, not just because he's our best option at LT, and that he's still pretty good, but because it just fits everyone into their natural positions. Having KO and Yanda in the middle, Oher at RT, and McKinnie at LT, would probably make this a top 5 unit like it was in the play offs, I really don't want to miss out on that opportunity, because it was great having that luxury from 08-09. I just love being able to dominant in the trenches on both sides of the ball, that's where the games won. Our Dline is fixed, now fix the Oline.
    Beatty actually went on IR in November of that season for a detached retina, which he had surgery on. He never played in the playoffs and he never played in the Super Bowl.

    That was David Diehl.
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    Re: Is having a great LT overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Oh, you mean that same LT who they IR'ed in November of that Super Bowl year?
    http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=9&c...&fhn=1&yr=2009

    David Diehl played LT for the Giants the rest of that season, into the playoffs, and in the Super Bowl. And he was pretty bad.

    Thanks for further supporting my argument.

    Also, last year was the first season that Beatty actually played pretty well...and it didn't seem to help the Giants much, huh?
    Before last season the NY media was putting Beatty in the bust category. Now he's compared to Luke Petitgout who was a 1st round tackle for the Giants who took a couple of seasons before he played well. Both seemed to get hot right during their contract seasons but neither is an upper level tackle.
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    Re: Is having a great LT overrated?

    I think Beatty has the tools to be a top 5 tackle tbh, but as already pointed out, he only really played well last year. He's an example of a very rare second round pick who has excelled at LT eventually, you don't find many guys like that.




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    Re: Is having a great LT overrated?

    completely dependent upon your scheme and game plan. WCO, not as much. AC, youre going to need more time. some hybrid between the two, you better have talent between the two as well. As far as i know Caldwell is going to be running an AC hybrid. he calls it better than Cam which helps but ultimately we should still have a good LT to match that because well still be taking shots down field.
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    Quick throws. Check.

    Sooooo we'd better get some receivers that can "win" quick too. We know who they are by now right?
    A 6'5+ TE would help too. Plenty abound this weekend.
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    Re: Is having a great LT overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I think Beatty has the tools to be a top 5 tackle tbh, but as already pointed out, he only really played well last year. He's an example of a very rare second round pick who has excelled at LT eventually, you don't find many guys like that.
    Top 5? Sorry but I don't see that at all. Top 15 yes but what has Beatty done that makes you think he has that kind of talent?
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