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    Re: Ozzie says, if the season started today, KO WOULD BE THE LEFT TACKLE!



    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I think some people have/are REALLY underestimating McKinnie's chances of returning to Baltimore this season. McKinnie really is our only option at LT if you want solid play IN 2013. Oher is below average at LT, we don't know how KO would handle it, and I'm pretty sure any rookie we'd get a shot at drafting would not be ready to start at LT either.
    I think he'll be back. People just need to relax and not get their panties in a bunch. I tend to believe McKinnie's only option right now is in Baltimore. Ozzie is just waiting it out right now, so he can get McKinnie at his price.




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    Re: Ozzie says, if the season started today, KO WOULD BE THE LEFT TACKLE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    I think he'll be back. People just need to relax and not get their panties in a bunch. I tend to believe McKinnie's only option right now is in Baltimore. Ozzie is just waiting it out right now, so he can get McKinnie at his price.




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    Re: Ozzie says, if the season started today, KO WOULD BE THE LEFT TACKLE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    I think he'll be back. People just need to relax and not get their panties in a bunch. I tend to believe McKinnie's only option right now is in Baltimore. Ozzie is just waiting it out right now, so he can get McKinnie at his price.
    i think were the favorite but his other options that hes stated as interested (Saints and Chargers) are both possible landing spots as well. With McKinnie, top dollar wins, which Im not sure we wont be, but those other two have openings and enough money to spend as well. Little early to count them out completely but i do expect him to be back next year at this point.
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    Re: Ozzie says, if the season started today, KO WOULD BE THE LEFT TACKLE!

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    i think were the favorite but his other options that hes stated as interested (Saints and Chargers) are both possible landing spots as well. With McKinnie, top dollar wins, which Im not sure we wont be, but those other two have openings and enough money to spend as well. Little early to count them out completely but i do expect him to be back next year at this point.
    Yeah I agree, I think the Saints and the Chargers could make a play at him, but in the end both of those teams have better options in the draft, they are in good position to land one of the top 3 OTs if they wish (Saints would have to trade up). I think the Chargers would especially be stupid if they signed McKinnie, because they have a legit shot at getting at least Lane Johnson, and could even trade up for either Fisher or Joekel. I think we'll be willing to pay a little more purely because we have very little options this year at LT. We would also probably be able to field a top 5 Oline if we did bring McKinnie back because of where everyone would be playing, I hope we don't miss out on that opportunity.




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    Re: Ozzie says, if the season started today, KO WOULD BE THE LEFT TACKLE!

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Yeah I agree, I think the Saints and the Chargers could make a play at him, but in the end both of those teams have better options in the draft, they are in good position to land one of the top 3 OTs if they wish (Saints would have to trade up). I think the Chargers would especially be stupid if they signed McKinnie, because they have a legit shot at getting at least Lane Johnson, and could even trade up for either Fisher or Joekel. I think we'll be willing to pay a little more purely because we have very little options this year at LT. We would also probably be able to field a top 5 Oline if we did bring McKinnie back because of where everyone would be playing, I hope we don't miss out on that opportunity.
    I believe I heard the chargers may trade out of that spot, so if they trade back for another talent, thats when the door opens for mckinnie. Id agree it would be a dumb move to pass over any of those top 3, but it wouldnt be the first time a team did something idiotic.
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    Re: Ozzie says, if the season started today, KO WOULD BE THE LEFT TACKLE!

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I believe I heard the chargers may trade out of that spot, so if they trade back for another talent, thats when the door opens for mckinnie. Id agree it would be a dumb move to pass over any of those top 3, but it wouldnt be the first time a team did something idiotic.
    Yeah that would be a stupid move. The strength is in the middle of the draft this year, clearly, but you can't pass up on a potential franchise LT who would immediately upgrade your protection, the Chargers haven't been able to protect Rivers to save their lives through the past two seasons.




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    Re: Ozzie says, if the season started today, KO WOULD BE THE LEFT TACKLE!

    I'll say it here, buried deep in this thread, where no one but the die-hards will read.

    There is a plan to sign McKinnie, but Ozzie's patience is waiting and will be watching the draft for a possible move/fall.

    I really think McKinnie will be signed, but he is still p*ssed at having been sat for the entire length of his incentive bonus playing time and wants to extract compensation...
    So he has the debt, needs the money, but is still angry at being cornered at last year's roster setting, having to take an incentive contract and getting the incentives vaporized.

    We will have to pay decently, and my gut is currently saying that the funds are coming from Vonta.
    Cutting Vonta now is counterproductive, we want no one to know we are in the market for a FB in the late rounds... that is if we don't jump up and get a LT in the 1st.

    I now understand that Ozzie's plans are not linear.
    It is not plan A then Plan B then Plan C (although he does have them called contingencies)
    It is more like Plan ABC where there are waymarkers, the plans all go in the same general direction so they are following a bunch of plans at the same time. They have a list of people they would trade up for and if one of those comes into range they jump (following plan A's path), if all are gone then they drop to their pick, and back to the list....
    They will know if their list has a consensus BPA and nobody else close, or they have 4 or 5 good choices. At that point they explore offers to trade back.
    I used to see it as 3 plans, I now see it as one plan with branches.
    We have moved up for people (Flacco, Pierce, Jah)
    We have moved down for people (Flacco again, Kindle, Upshaw)
    We have stayed put and taken Ed Reed.

    Only way to anticipate is to know the board rankings, and they have far more research into all areas of a player than we will ever know.
    We can talk Teo, we have heard/read a ton of stuff on him, problem is what to give high cred to and what to discount? Doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is what the FO has determined, and we can't know that, but may get most-mortem hints from Eric well after the draft and UDFA signings.

    I'll say again, if we don't get a near ready LT, Vonta is a salary cap casulty.
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    Re: Ozzie says, if the season started today, KO WOULD BE THE LEFT TACKLE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rxdoxx View Post
    I'll say it here, buried deep in this thread, where no one but the die-hards will read.

    There is a plan to sign McKinnie, but Ozzie's patience is waiting and will be watching the draft for a possible move/fall.

    I really think McKinnie will be signed, but he is still p*ssed at having been sat for the entire length of his incentive bonus playing time and wants to extract compensation...
    So he has the debt, needs the money, but is still angry at being cornered at last year's roster setting, having to take an incentive contract and getting the incentives vaporized.

    We will have to pay decently, and my gut is currently saying that the funds are coming from Vonta.
    Cutting Vonta now is counterproductive, we want no one to know we are in the market for a FB in the late rounds... that is if we don't jump up and get a LT in the 1st.

    I now understand that Ozzie's plans are not linear.
    It is not plan A then Plan B then Plan C (although he does have them called contingencies)
    It is more like Plan ABC where there are waymarkers, the plans all go in the same general direction so they are following a bunch of plans at the same time. They have a list of people they would trade up for and if one of those comes into range they jump (following plan A's path), if all are gone then they drop to their pick, and back to the list....
    They will know if their list has a consensus BPA and nobody else close, or they have 4 or 5 good choices. At that point they explore offers to trade back.
    I used to see it as 3 plans, I now see it as one plan with branches.
    We have moved up for people (Flacco, Pierce, Jah)
    We have moved down for people (Flacco again, Kindle, Upshaw)
    We have stayed put and taken Ed Reed.

    Only way to anticipate is to know the board rankings, and they have far more research into all areas of a player than we will ever know.
    We can talk Teo, we have heard/read a ton of stuff on him, problem is what to give high cred to and what to discount? Doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is what the FO has determined, and we can't know that, but may get most-mortem hints from Eric well after the draft and UDFA signings.

    I'll say again, if we don't get a near ready LT, Vonta is a salary cap casulty.
    Id probably agree with just about everything you said here, although id take it a little further and say Vonta may go because of an UDFA just as easily as a drafted FB.
    -JAB




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    Re: Ozzie says, if the season started today, KO WOULD BE THE LEFT TACKLE!

    A very related nugget from one of PFF's analysts...

    Steve Palazzolo‏@StevePalazzolo24m
    @KeithDeuces @ecstoner @jeffrisdon @abxxv25 Pressure from LT results in sacks 0.8 percent more than pressure from RT
    This is 2008-2012 seasons.

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