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  1. #31

    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?



    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Disagree. Boldin could have been renegotiated to reduce his 2013 cap hit. You mentioned Huff & McClain. These are run-of the-mill guys whose acquisition doesn't come close adding talent to the team to offset the loss of Boldin. Dumervil was a good pick, offsetting Kruger's loss for less money, so I don't see his entering the discussion.

    The biggest problem with using Boldin's cap space to lure a couple of average defensive guys is that we're losing our top WR without a decent backup in place. Doss & the Three Stooges behind him are below average for NFL WRs.
    Just because they were average in Oakland does not mean that is all they could be. I remember many Ravens fans had wet dreams about Rolando McClain pre draft. He has the same potential because we still got him young. So to write him off this early could be a little premature. He is only 23. He could still have some great football in him. And renegotiating is stupid imo. Look at all the teams who have tried that or "putting money on the credit card" as ozzie calls it. They are all sucking now and they have no room to do anything with guys who are aging but there is so much dead money cutting them would be almost pointless.

    And being real, lets not act like Boldin is anywhere close to a star WR anymore. Was he great for us in the postseason ? Sure he was. I think it is hard to say that a guy who never notched 1K with us and only got over 900 is someone whose production can not be replaced in the draft. Torrey was right on par with Boldin his first year. And while his post season run was good there were also some pretty strong contributors.

    So if anything Boldin was over paid. His cap number got players who were on a similar level and for much cheaper. This does not include the upside to guys like McClain who if he plays great we could Tender him and at the very least recoup a pick or resign him and have a good productive LB in his prime for another 7 years over a guy who has 2 or 3 years left max.




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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    As far as the regular season is concerned we should be better across the board. Both passing and rushing offenses should be better with 16+ games with Caldwell calling plays. Pees has historically been phenomenal at calling redzone D so we should at least be as good there, while yardage wise it shouldn't be hard at all to improve.

    Now maybe we don't win back to back championships, but I think we at least buck the trend of Super Bowl winners not winning a single playoff game.




  3. #33

    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Our defense could/should be better, especially considering our defense last year wasn't very good a lot of the time. It is younger, faster, and at least as talented. It is deeper on the D-line which was our worst performing level on the unit last year. The leadership issue could be a problem though, depending on Suggs (I think Haloti may be too quiet to fill the Ray role). As for a FA addition becoming a very vocal leader (like Dumervil, Canty, etc), that is trickier to pull off considering they are new and a lot of the younger guys bonded around the Lombardi last year without such newcomers.

    If there is going to be a problem next year, it is going to be the offense. Obviously nothing is set, and the draft is a big opportunity for us, but our O-line right now has the potential to be worse than ever, unless we make a couple solid additions. And our offense lives and dies with the O-line. The playoff success we had was almost entirely due to the lack of pressure we faced in the passing game. Part of that was Caldwell's scheme, but not all of it. An O-line of Oher - ??? - Gradkowski - Yanda - KO is a very risky proposition. And we lost our duck-and-chuck-it-to WR in Boldin. Hopefully we can get some help at tackle and Gradkowski is up to the task.




  4. #34

    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Disagree. Boldin could have been renegotiated to reduce his 2013 cap hit. You mentioned Huff & McClain. These are run-of the-mill guys whose acquisition doesn't come close adding talent to the team to offset the loss of Boldin. Dumervil was a good pick, offsetting Kruger's loss for less money, so I don't see his entering the discussion.

    The biggest problem with using Boldin's cap space to lure a couple of average defensive guys is that we're losing our top WR without a decent backup in place. Doss & the Three Stooges behind him are below average for NFL WRs.
    I want to know how we sign Dumervil by keeping Boldin.




  5. #35

    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by GaTechRavens View Post
    I want to know how we sign Dumervil by keeping Boldin.
    We could have done any one of the following:

    a) extended Boldin to reduce his 2013 cap hit
    b) cut Leach
    c) not signed Canty, Spears, Huff

    But I also disagree with his premise that we traded Boldin to sign those run-of-the-mill guys listed in c). We traded Boldin to try to keep Ellerbe. The timing of events indicate, to me, that this was the thinking at the time (after Boldin nixed the idea of a straight paycut).




  6. #36

    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    We lost 4 guys. It is not the end of the world. We now only have 2 guys over 30. I will take that any day of the week. Considering one is a back up CB and the other is a FB. I much prefer to lose some of our vets to get younger and faster which we desperately need.

    That and we get Webb back. To me if we get one starter at WR and depth across the board we are a much better team.




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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Disagree. Boldin could have been renegotiated to reduce his 2013 cap hit. You mentioned Huff & McClain. These are run-of the-mill guys whose acquisition doesn't come close adding talent to the team to offset the loss of Boldin. Dumervil was a good pick, offsetting Kruger's loss for less money, so I don't see his entering the discussion.

    The biggest problem with using Boldin's cap space to lure a couple of average defensive guys is that we're losing our top WR without a decent backup in place. Doss & the Three Stooges behind him are below average for NFL WRs.
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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    The reality is, when you have 3 - 4 players who are eating up that much cap space, you have to go cheap and/or young at other positions. That's why I think the last couple of SB winners were with young QBs who haven't been paid yet. Teams like SF, Seattle, are set up well. Other teams like Cinci will have to make a decision soon to pay their guy or move on.
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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    We could have done any one of the following:

    a) extended Boldin to reduce his 2013 cap hit
    I've heard this quite often, but I am wondering if this is really true. It takes two to tango, so why does the assumption exist that Boldin was willing to do an extension. Maybe that option was explored and rejected?

    I'm not calling you out - I really don't know the answer.




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    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    I've heard this quite often, but I am wondering if this is really true. It takes two to tango, so why does the assumption exist that Boldin was willing to do an extension. Maybe that option was explored and rejected?

    I'm not calling you out - I really don't know the answer.
    Boldin himself said an extension was never offered.


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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    I think Ozzie was not interested at all in extending Boldin because of his age. Time will tell if he was right or not, but he was right with Heap and Mason before, bearing in mind Heap had major health issues where as Boldin doesn't have them.




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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I think Ozzie was not interested at all in extending Boldin because of his age. Time will tell if he was right or not, but he was right with Heap and Mason before, bearing in mind Heap had major health issues where as Boldin doesn't have them.
    Boldin isn't all that old though. He is 4 years younger than Mason was when we let Mason walk.

    Heap is a different story, in that I don't think age played a huge part of the decision (age/injury/wear-and-tear combined is more accurate description of concerns). And the decision to let Heap walk happened a year before he went. We drafted 2 TE's in that draft before his last year, and Heap turned 30 about a month before that draft.

    I do agree with your premise but I don't think age was the sole factor with Boldin. I suspect it was a combination of age and price. It is obvious Boldin still values himself highly (perhaps rightfully so), as he seemed a bit miffed about being asked to take a $2M paycut. So any extension that had a chance of being accepted by Boldin would likely have had to have been in the $5M/yr range (for 2 years). Since we seemed to have valued him at $4M right now (based on the paycut we asked), and he wasn't going to get any younger, I doubt any mutually-acceptable extension terms were possible.
    Last edited by Haloti92; 04-14-2013 at 12:57 PM.




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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    I've heard this quite often, but I am wondering if this is really true. It takes two to tango, so why does the assumption exist that Boldin was willing to do an extension. Maybe that option was explored and rejected?

    I'm not calling you out - I really don't know the answer.
    I am not sure exactly what happened, but I recall seeing Boldin say he was given a "take a paycut or be released" ultimatum. Whether that was an aggressive first step towards some kind of negotiation that could have concluded with an extension (perhaps of Boldin countered with it), I have no idea.
    Last edited by Haloti92; 04-14-2013 at 01:40 PM.




  14. #44

    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post

    But I also disagree with his premise that we traded Boldin to sign those run-of-the-mill guys listed in c). We traded Boldin to try to keep Ellerbe. The timing of events indicate, to me, that this was the thinking at the time (after Boldin nixed the idea of a straight paycut).
    It's all cap dollars. There's nothing direct between Boldin and any of the other guys. The $5 million "savings" by getting rid of Boldin ultimately only helped getting us Dumervil plus a few run-of-the-mills who should help our defense from getting worse, but I don't see an improvement coming unless Webb comes back to play a healthy season. I am hoping to see the Ravens do better than a middle of the pack defense, but, on paper, climbing back to a top 5 defense appears challenging.

    More concern would be the offense regressing with the loss of Boldin.
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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    It's all cap dollars. There's nothing direct between Boldin and any of the other guys. The $5 million "savings" by getting rid of Boldin ultimately only helped getting us Dumervil plus a few run-of-the-mills who should help our defense from getting worse, but I don't see an improvement coming unless Webb comes back to play a healthy season. I am hoping to see the Ravens do better than a middle of the pack defense, but, on paper, climbing back to a top 5 defense appears challenging.

    More concern would be the offense regressing with the loss of Boldin.
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