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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?



    Tell you in early August......too early to say.
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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Here's a video many of you probably already saw on NFL Network that discusses this exact forum topic (sorry if it has already been posted).

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/video...4-6617e2af2e41

    Makes me feel a little better, I must say. Still, in the interest of being realistic, it's very hard to lose that many players and expect new talent, even if it were equal or better, to gel the way a Super Bowl championship team did.




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    There's the draft and another round of free agency.

    Seems awfully early to declare we are "worse" when the 2013 team is still far off from being decided.
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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack View Post
    Here's a video many of you probably already saw on NFL Network that discusses this exact forum topic (sorry if it has already been posted).

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/video...4-6617e2af2e41

    Makes me feel a little better, I must say. Still, in the interest of being realistic, it's very hard to lose that many players and expect new talent, even if it were equal or better, to gel the way a Super Bowl championship team did.
    Yes, the gelled during the postseason. But I think all of these assesments of how better/worse the team is compared to a Super Bowl-winning team are misguided. Last year's team got hot at the right time and was legitimately one of the top 4 teams in the AFC. In terms of winning the SB, it's not like they were some dominant team that everyone had in the big game.

    Let's keep things in perspective. They were one play away from losing in the divisional round of the playoffs. For that matter, they were also one play away in the San Diego game from potentially losing the division.

    There is every reason to think they can be a better team next year because quite frankly, they just weren't all that great during the season despite the SB champion tag.




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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Based on his experience after SB35 I think Ozzie's strategy for putting the team together is exactly right. This is the only way this team can stay relevant and young, unlike the black/yellow team. This team assembly thing is like hitting a moving target; chemistry, experience, injuries- they are all certainly going to impact this team in the next 5 months. And you know there will be another key guy out with injury for the 1st game.
    That being said I feel really good about the team going in to the draft (but really miss having Boldin- that's a mistake), and their history tells me we'll be feeling even better after the draft.
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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Even the coaching staff has improved. Juan Castillo will be helping with the linemen and Jim Caldwell will be calling plays the entire season.

    The defense damn sure got better on paper.
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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    We might even be better. And we got the draft to look forward to yet. That upgraded d line will go a long way to making the entire defence look better.




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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    D on paper appears stronger overall - more pass rush will make coverage easier in the secondary.

    O line needs shoreing up - also needs to be faster and have more stamina to run no huddle.




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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    It's easy to say that the Ravens will be worse than last year only because if the team doesn't win the Super Bowl it will be worse than last year.

    That being said, I think the Ravens haven't had a lot of turn over on O so they should be about the same, with the exception of Anquan Boldin. The D has gotten younger and upgraded at the positions of need, but it takes time playing as a unit before the D will gel as a unit.

    I think by the end of the season the team will be doing good, but it's going to be ugly in the beginning of the season.


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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Hard to do any comparisons yet...but I think our run D will have to be better at least.

    It'll be interesting to see how the back 7 play together since there are going to be so many new players with a couple guys coming off major injuries as well.

    I think the offense needs to be addressed...we obviously need a LT and another starting calibre WR.

    We'll see how the draft goes and how the guys look playing together on D during the preseason.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Better

    Speed on D improved, have players to spell Haloti to keep him impactful in the 4Q.

    O we do need some depth, I think 2 TE splitting one can cover for Boldin's loss.

    Team still is in formation stage. Someone else mentioned another round of free agency after the draft. What wasn't stressed by this is teams releasing players that they have replaced through the draft, both quickly (immediate salary concerns) and late in camp (vet beaten out by a cheap draftee), so there are really 2 more rounds of free agents to go.
    And Oz has made moves late in the past... so no major worries presently about things like a back-up C.

    As far as leadership, I hear people tossing out names of stars, but I'm feeling that we have/will have strong locker presences from lesser names, like possibly Art Jones and others. I like things I hear Lardarius saying, and Torrey has also spoken well, so we could easily have leaders beyond the expected Big $$ stars.

    I am pretty optomistic of our playoff chances because of the changes that are happening. Standing pat would have concerned me a lot more.
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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark&Stormy View Post
    Based on his experience after SB35 I think Ozzie's strategy for putting the team together is exactly right. This is the only way this team can stay relevant and young, unlike the black/yellow team. This team assembly thing is like hitting a moving target; chemistry, experience, injuries- they are all certainly going to impact this team in the next 5 months. And you know there will be another key guy out with injury for the 1st game.
    That being said I feel really good about the team going in to the draft (but really miss having Boldin- that's a mistake), and their history tells me we'll be feeling even better after the draft.
    I disagree to a point there. I will be forever grateful for what Boldin did for us in that playoff run. That being said looking at his 7 mil cap number where would we be with the cap right now ? I think if you keep Boldin we would have had to sacrifice some of our other acquisitions. I would rather have Huff, Doom, and McClain then just Boldin. It was a great move for the team imo. Ozzie was genius there because he took us from having about 5 needs in the draft (S, ILB, OLB, LT,WR) to having only two real needs (WR, LT) So he improved his flexibility in the draft. He can now take BPA and fortunately for us this draft is packed with WR's. The only problem is LT because I dont think we have the firepower to get one of the top3, however I think REid Fragel could be a very good LT and could probably be had in the 3rd. With 12 draft picks OZ has room to manuever in getting us depth at ILB and S. BUt he also can get some great guys at WR as well.

    Again I think cutting Boldin was a necessary evil by virtue of what we could get with is cap number.




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    Re: How much worse are Ravens in 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ngata_Chance View Post
    I think cutting Boldin was a necessary evil by virtue of what we could get with is cap number.
    Disagree. Boldin could have been renegotiated to reduce his 2013 cap hit. You mentioned Huff & McClain. These are run-of the-mill guys whose acquisition doesn't come close adding talent to the team to offset the loss of Boldin. Dumervil was a good pick, offsetting Kruger's loss for less money, so I don't see his entering the discussion.

    The biggest problem with using Boldin's cap space to lure a couple of average defensive guys is that we're losing our top WR without a decent backup in place. Doss & the Three Stooges behind him are below average for NFL WRs.
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    The Steelers and other cap killer teams negotiate / push money down the road for aging players.

    Perennial playoff teams do not.
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    I would have cut Leach to keep Boldin.


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