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    Re: I still want this to happen, I want another Middle Linebacker



    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Nothing about this comment makes a shred of sense. Isn't that the case in every draft? You could have a prospect who is drafted behind a certain player who COULD have better success? I'm sure Wilson or Martin COULD have a better career than Trent Richardson, but I don't think there were too many teams considering drafting them anywhere near Richardson in last year's draft.

    The statement that Swearinger is a 4th rounder is ridiculous. This is not a super draft for over all talent, but it is a nice draft for certain positions (TE and S come to mind first). If Swearinger is regarded by pretty much everyone who does this for a living as a 35-62 prospect, it's because he's shown a lot to warrant that feeling. It's not because he is being overdrafted due to a positional shortage. That was Harrison Smith last year.
    And dont these experts get it wrong a lot to. Teams overdraft every year it is not crazy to say that some prospects have a better shot than another and are getting overdrafted due to undo hype. We see it every year with QB (Sanchez), Combine Warriors (Poe), and hype machines.




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    Re: I still want this to happen, I want another Middle Linebacker

    I respect everyone's opinion here, but my own eyes tell me that Swearinger is the fourth best safety in this class. All of the draft analysts I pay attention to think that Swearinger is a solid 2nd round prospect. I strongly disagree that he's a "middle of the road", and a 4th round projection is totally wrong IMO. This guy was forced to play corner for a stretch of games, and did a nice job.




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    Re: I still want this to happen, I want another Middle Linebacker

    Yep, it really looks like Swearinger is a 2nd round pick. Maaaaybe he'll fall to the top of the third but don't count on it.

    One of the nice things about this year's safety class is that you got several FS/SS hybrids: players who can get dirty in the box but can be trusted to line up with the slot receiver. That's the way the position is evolving. The main question about some of these guys is how well they wil hold up to injuries.




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    Re: I still want this to happen, I want another Middle Linebacker

    I think Teo will be gone if not long gone by the time we come up. I think the scandalous stuff is wearing off now and someone won't be able to resist getting him in the 20s or so. Even so if he was there for the taking and we're staying at 32 and are looking LB give me Ogeltree or Minter all day. Although I have to admit a WR at that spot is looking more and more interesting.




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    Re: I still want this to happen, I want another Middle Linebacker

    we still have a need at ILB but now that we have some depth at least we shouldnt have to reach for a talent. None of these ILBs are first round talents in just about any draft outside this one apparently, which im still not sure they do go in the first. Id rather wait to see whos available at 2 or even 3 before spending a 1st on any of the top 3. if olgetree teo and minter go late 1 early 2 that leaves a good group of ILBs still available for possibly our 2nd.
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    Re: I still want this to happen, I want another Middle Linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I think Shamarko Thomas is about right, Philip Thomas a little too low and Matt Elam Way too low.

    Swearinger is a Bernard Pollard clone.
    Yes, I noticed Shamarko Thomas some time ago. The knock on him is his height, but he plays so big and his measureables are off the chart...and that is where he makes up for his height.
    4.3ish speed and 40" vertical. He can get up and knock away passes and he has the speed to close on anything, pass or run. And he is a big hitter against the run.
    I also like both Arthur Brown and Kiko Alonso.
    IF Oz can pick up one of those two and Shamarko Thomas, I would be thrilled.
    Arthur Brown is like the Niners' Bowman and Alonso is 6'4" and has terrific game speed.

    And I see, someone mentioned Ray Ray Armstrong.
    Believe me, the Ravens haven't forgot about Armstrong. He's from the U.
    He will not go high at all, so he is a later half of the draft pick.
    Maybe after the Ravens grab their first 4 or 5 players, he might move into view in their chart.
    It will probably take him all season to get his act back together...maybe by December.
    I can't see him going before the 4th at all unless it is with our comp pick in the 4th.
    Last edited by Ravens44; 04-15-2013 at 10:37 AM.




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    Re: I still want this to happen, I want another Middle Linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Werewolf View Post
    I think Teo will be gone if not long gone by the time we come up. I think the scandalous stuff is wearing off now and someone won't be able to resist getting him in the 20s or so. Even so if he was there for the taking and we're staying at 32 and are looking LB give me Ogeltree or Minter all day. Although I have to admit a WR at that spot is looking more and more interesting.
    I could care less if Te'o is there or not, I would never consider Te'o at 32, the guy is a throw back and has been highly overrated since day 1 because he plays at ND. I rank Kevin Minter, Alex Ogletree, Arthur Brown, and Sio Moore higher than this guy. I just don't see the difference between Te'o and a guy like AJ Klein or Jon Bostic who have 3rd-4th round projections. I could be totally wrong about him, but I don't see the value at all at 32.

    He isn't as good as last years run thumping ILB prospect Donta Hightower who didn't get as much publicity as Te'o had even before the scandal. Frankly, what the media have done with this kid is garbage, he should have never had that much hype before the scandal, and he should have never had that much critique when the scandal came out either.




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    Re: I still want this to happen, I want another Middle Linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Totally different players IMO.

    Pollard is considerably bigger to start with and is more stiff in coverage. Swearinger is more athletic, faster, but can't play in the box like Pollard can, he isn't close to Pollard in run support. Swearinger is better in coverage, and its not even close, obviously we don't know how it will play out in the NFL, but Swearinger was covering slot receivers at South Carolina. Pollard gets eaten alive in coverage when he's asked to cover tight ends, let a lot slot receivers.

    In terms of on field energy, and the fact that both can lay the wood, yes I see the comparison there, but that's where it really ends.
    We'll agree to disagree.

    I see a lot of the same reckless hitting that I saw in Pollard and frankly, I think they are similar in run support.

    Now I do agree that he is probably better than Pollard in coverage, but I still don't want him out there playing WR's man to man.

    I also agree that I think he is going to be picked before the 4th.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: I still want this to happen, I want another Middle Linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    We'll agree to disagree.

    I see a lot of the same reckless hitting that I saw in Pollard and frankly, I think they are similar in run support.

    Now I do agree that he is probably better than Pollard in coverage, but I still don't want him out there playing WR's man to man.

    I also agree that I think he is going to be picked before the 4th.
    Oh don't get me wrong, he is the same physical type of player that Pollard is. But could you ever see Pollard being asked to play corner because of injuries? It would be like asking Novoro Bowman to play corner. DJ Swearinger is like 5'10 and 208 lbs, Pollard is around 6'1 and is close to 230.




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    Re: I still want this to happen, I want another Middle Linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by nickh0801 View Post
    Then that's probably the kiss of death as far as the Ravens are concerned. Haha.

    Misinformation abounds this time of year.




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