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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?



    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I agree.

    I don't think Sanders is worth a third round pick.

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    They used a 3rd to draft him originally and he's been a little injury prone and will want to be paid $$$ soon. I'd take the pick and let him walk
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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmore finest View Post
    Good insight fellas, but either way, I'm laughing my ass off of this move. It's a sneaky move for sure, and that's what the sqeelers get. Sqeelers suck
    I think they messed up when they offered him the ROD tender vs. the 2nd round tender. They wouldn't be in this predicament if they had...




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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    I know right, that's what they get for thinking they are made of gold. And I think all Rfa has til the 18th or something to sign tenders. I'm still waiting for pitta and Dickson to sign.




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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    Pittsburgh brought this on themselves. The Steelers and Ravens were, essentially, in a 1A and 1B situation. The one player that made Pittsburgh 1A was Ben Roethlisberger. However, once the Ravens drafted Joe Flacco and you saw how he could play in the clutch, you knew it was only a matter of time before the roles reversed. Baltimore continued to draft well, while Pittsburgh A.) Tried to hold onto too many of the old gang, and B.) hit a rut in their drafting.

    About a gazillion restructures later, they are looking up at Baltimore AND Cincinnati.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Pittsburgh brought this on themselves. The Steelers and Ravens were, essentially, in a 1A and 1B situation. The one player that made Pittsburgh 1A was Ben Roethlisberger. However, once the Ravens drafted Joe Flacco and you saw how he could play in the clutch, you knew it was only a matter of time before the roles reversed. Baltimore continued to draft well, while Pittsburgh A.) Tried to hold onto too many of the old gang, and B.) hit a rut in their drafting.

    About a gazillion restructures later, they are looking up at Baltimore AND Cincinnati.
    Plus Big Ben is hurt all of the time.


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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    If I were Kevin Colbert I'd take the 3rd round pick in an instant, and hope it turns into the second coming of Mike Wallace (rather than the second coming of Limas Sweed).




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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    Quote Originally Posted by inexplicable View Post
    If I were Kevin Colbert I'd take the 3rd round pick in an instant, and hope it turns into the second coming of Mike Wallace (rather than the second coming of Limas Sweed).
    But I was saying before, most 3rd round picks don't pan out, hell about half of the first round picks don't pan out. You can't just assume that all of your draft picks will just be plugged in and be your championship caliber team of the future. When you find a player that has proven themselves to be an NFL caliber player, that is more valuable than a possibility. However, it's the financial aspect that potentially tilts the balance towards draft picks.

    Point being "Don't worry, Mike Wallace was a 3rd rounder, this is no big deal" is a rediculous argument. Not to say that the Steelers have no choice but to retain Sanders, because of finances, but chances are that the new player will not surpass his production and potential.




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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    Honestly if the Pats get Sanders, I think it could work out to the benefit of both teams.

    The Steelers have cap issues. Draft picks provide an opportunity for cheap production as they re-tool their roster a bit. It's obviuosly a short term downgrade, but I don't believe they are built to contend for a Super Bowl this year. It makes sense to take the pick and lose Sanders.

    The Pats are in complete win now mode. They've already traded away multiple picks from this draft trying to squeeze another Super Bowl out of Brady. Brady will be 36 this season. 3rd round picks can take time to develop, if they develop at all. Brady would be 39 in the 3rd season of any rookie drafted this year. I don't think he'll be a top quarterback anymore at 39, so by then the window is closed/closing. The production Sanders can give them now is more valuable.




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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Okay, this is highly confusing.

    #1- what type of stupid offer is a $2.5/1year RFA offer sheet?

    #2- from the Steelers standpoint, this is a nobrainer. They aren't having to match a 5year-$25m contract. They are having to match a 1 year/2.5 contract. I'm guessing that Sanders was given a Round of Draft tender (hence the 3rd round pick), so matching the Patriots offer hurts their cap $1.2 million more. Not sure where the $700k estimate came from. The ROD tender (given to Dickson this year) is $1.3 approx., so this chews up $1.2 more in cap space.

    #3- From the Patriots standpoint, this is headshakingly stupid....or brilliant. If you are going to potentially forfeit your 3rd rounder in order to get a player, why on earth would you do it just to offer someone a one year contract. The general upside of signing a RFA to an offer sheet is that you replace a potentially unknown commodity draft pick for four years (their rookie contract) with a more stable, proven veteran for at least four years.

    #4- Perhaps this is a brilliant move by the Patriots after all. They knew that the Steelers would ABSOLUTELY 100% match such a small RFA offer to Sanders, given his talent and value at a very thin position. So, with little risk to actually truly forfeiting that 3rd round pick, they just forced the Steelers into using up another $1.2m in very limited cap space. If there was an organization to try something sneaky like this, it's definitely the Pats. The irony is that the Steelers made a mistake IMO by not giving Sanders a 2nd round tender to begin with, which opened the door for this happening in the first place. They were trying to be cheap and save a little money, but in the end they are going to have to pay more to Sanders ($2.5m) than they would have ($2.03) had they just slapped the 2nd round tender on him in the first place.

    5) Did Dickson sign his tender yet? If not, I would encourage the NE front office to try this same move with him.
    I do not think its as much a given the Steelers should match the offer as you do.

    Reality is even if they match the offer he becomes a UFA next season. Right now the Steelers would be hard pressed to find a way to keep him if he hits the open market.

    If the Steelers approach Sanders agent about what terms they would be looking for in a long term deal and they are terms that the Steelers feel they will be unable to meet then the only smart move is to let him go and take the pick. A 3rd is nothing to sneeze at and much better than the nothing they could get if they match and lose him this offseason. Sanders is a decent receiver but not one that is elite IMO and have to keep no matter what.
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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coastergenius View Post
    But I was saying before, most 3rd round picks don't pan out, hell about half of the first round picks don't pan out. .
    We've had this debate on here numerous times and I've supplied the data to prove this is not true over and over again. I don't feel like digging it up again, but the "most ____ round picks don't pan out" argument is horrifically flawed until you reach the 6th and 7th round. Over 40% of 5th rounders start at least 35 games in in their NFL careers. Without looking, I think it's something like 70-75% of 3rd rounders start at least 35 games in their NFL career.

    To say that "most" 3rd rounders don't pan out is just nonsense.




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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    Quote Originally Posted by somedumbguy View Post
    I love Patriot on Steeler Crime. My understanding is the Steelers are about $2M under the cap. If they match the offer they may have to cut somebody else to sign rookies. If they don't match, then the Patriots lose a 3rd round draft pick in a draft where I think they only have 4 picks anyway. They gave up picks this year to for Heynesworth and Ocho Cinco.

    If I am the Steelers I take the draft pick.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    I'd take the 3rd too and move on. They have cap problems as it is...
    I agree, but it really isn't that simple. As of right now they've got 1 guy on their roster who has any legitimate playing time in the past couple of years. Sure, Plax is on the team and a vet receiver with a lot of experience, but he's slow and basically didn't play at all last year. Losing Sanders means they have to start all over again at WR because Antonio Brown is good, but he isn't a #1 guy. Neither was Sanders, but at least with Sanders and Brown you had two guys who have experience with Roethlisberger, with Haley, and were decent options.

    This is what happens to teams who try to hang onto the past. This is exactly what John Harbaugh was talking about when he said the one thing you can't do is try to keep everyone together. It just doesn't work.

    They still have issues on the OL. They still have issues at RB. They've got issues at TE since Heath Miller was injured late in the year (and he's not exactly young). They've got issues on the DL, they've got issues at LB, and in their secondary.

    I think the Steelers will still be competitive, but I could also very easily see them losing 8 - 10 games next year.
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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    Shitsburgh is in a rebuilding, rather those idiots want to admit it or not. Keeping and Restructuring is catching up to them. Seriously, they need help all over the place. They will most likely call Troy for a extension(wrong move again) and match Sanders. I don't care either way, I'm just enjoying the crying this week here. Take the pick and get a RB, they are going to draft a WR anyway. As long as its not Austin. They will still be tough to play, but boy I would love for them to lose about 8 -10 games. Purple Pride. Sqeelers Sucks




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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    I think they have to resign him, 3rd round picks make it a 3rd of the time on average, much less a later pick in that round. The draft is a total crapshoot.




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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    Charlie Casserly said that about 30% of 3rd round picks pan out, with the Steelers a little higher at about 40 %.
    So with them losing Wallace, I would think they want to match.




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    Re: You think that we're being gutted?

    I've talked to a few Steelers fans and every one of them said "N.E. can have this bum" or something resembling that. Injuries & drops. As one of them said to me, Ed Dickson is more popular in Bmore than Sanders is in Pgh!

    If their fans were the GM, they'd let NE have him & take the pick.




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