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    Re: Another Gun Myth Exposed



    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Read up on Dr John Lott then.

    Numerous study's (all of which have been replicated) all pointing to the central premise "More guns, less crime".

    His book is titled just that.
    I'll look it up and give it a read.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    "The overwhelming majority (almost 90 percent) of officers believe that casualties would be decreased if armed citizens were present at the onset of an active-shooter incident."
    Thats not the same as saying they feel citizens should be armed though. Saying casualties would be less is an obvious truth, but that doesnt mean they agree all civilians should be armed by that statement. mixing two things here. Obviously if theres more guns there to stop the scene before police even arrive casualties would be less. whether that means all of them agree that its in the best interests of everyone for that to be the case or not is more complex than that. that specific scenario, apparently. broad spectrum im sure that varies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Thats not the same as saying they feel citizens should be armed though. Saying casualties would be less is an obvious truth, but that doesnt mean they agree all civilians should be armed by that statement. mixing two things here. Obviously if theres more guns there to stop the scene before police even arrive casualties would be less. whether that means all of them agree that its in the best interests of everyone for that to be the case or not is more complex than that. that specific scenario, apparently. broad spectrum im sure that varies.
    Read the article / study in its entirety.

    It's very clear the vast majority of the street cops surveyed want just that.
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    Re: Another Gun Myth Exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Read the article / study in its entirety.

    It's very clear the vast majority of the street cops surveyed want just that.
    For what it's worth I have 3 friends in law enforcement who all agree with this. Small sample size but 3 for 3 ain't bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    For what it's worth I have 3 friends in law enforcement who all agree with this. Small sample size but 3 for 3 ain't bad.
    Likewise.

    I got that study off the Facebook page of a cop friend of mine who agrees. He's a Maryland State Trooper and he had 25-30 comments on his page, all in agreement.

    I know a couple of city cops who feel their job would be immensely easier if people in Bmore were allowed to carry.
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    Like I said before I have multiple friends in the field and its split a lot more evenly than that. Makes it a little harder to believe even if it is a smaller sample size.
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    Dr Lott's second book, "The Bias Against Guns" delves into this as well.

    His sample size was a touch smaller but had similar findings.
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    Re: Another Gun Myth Exposed

    Since we're on the topics of gun myths....

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/s...-election.html
    Currently, only people who buy guns through federally licensed dealers have to undergo a criminal background check, leaving a loophole for some online and gun show shoppers.
    HR, correct me if I am wrong, but if you buy any gun online even on an auction site, it can't be shipped to your house, you have to buy it from a licensed dealer, correct?

    Also, as far as the gun show loophole, here in NC if you sell a handgun to someone, you are required to get the permit from their local Sheriff's office just like if you were a retailer, otherwise you just broke the law.
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    Re: Another Gun Myth Exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Since we're on the topics of gun myths....

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/s...-election.html


    HR, correct me if I am wrong, but if you buy any gun online even on an auction site, it can't be shipped to your house, you have to buy it from a licensed dealer, correct?
    That's correct. If you buy a gun online, you have to find a dealer in your area with a Federal Firearms License ("FFL") to which the weapon can be sent. Once you make the online purchase, the seller will ship to that dealer only upon verification of their FFL. When you your weapon arrives, you have to produce ID proving the gun can then be handed off to you. Most FFL dealers will charge you a fee on top of whatever you purchased for the firearm.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Also, as far as the gun show loophole, here in NC if you sell a handgun to someone, you are required to get the permit from their local Sheriff's office just like if you were a retailer, otherwise you just broke the law.
    That varies from state to state. Texas has no requirement from person to person. The way the Manchin Senate bill is written, it would require something similar to what you have in NC. There's also a carve out for family gifts, allowing weapons to be moved amongst family members without notification to the government.
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    Re: Another Gun Myth Exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    That's correct. If you buy a gun online, you have to find a dealer in your area with a Federal Firearms License ("FFL") to which the weapon can be sent. Once you make the online purchase, the seller will ship to that dealer only upon verification of their FFL. When you your weapon arrives, you have to produce ID proving the gun can then be handed off to you. Most FFL dealers will charge you a fee on top of whatever you purchased for the firearm.
    I was wondering if the media is perpetuating a falsehood by saying there is a loophole with online purchases, which they are, UNLESS, there are any states where you don't have to produce a permit for the gun you are buying.

    Here in NC, the only gun I know you have to produce a permit for is a handgun, whether you buy it online and then pick it up form the dealer or buy directly from the dealer. I would imagine that's the case for every state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I was wondering if the media is perpetuating a falsehood by saying there is a loophole with online purchases, which they are, UNLESS, there are any states where you don't have to produce a permit for the gun you are buying.

    Here in NC, the only gun I know you have to produce a permit for is a handgun, whether you buy it online and then pick it up form the dealer or buy directly from the dealer. I would imagine that's the case for every state.
    I know that is the case for a handgun in MD, unsure about a long gun.
    IT was enough of a hurdle, that i had no interest in buying either of my handguns on line. It's jsut a personal preference to me that it is "poor form" to buy a handgun online and pay my LOCAL gunstore only a token fee to file the FFL paperwork. It wasn't worth the roughly $50 in total savings to be the cheapo that wouldn't support his local retailer over 10% or less fo the purchase price.




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    Re: Another Gun Myth Exposed

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I know that is the case for a handgun in MD, unsure about a long gun.
    IT was enough of a hurdle, that i had no interest in buying either of my handguns on line. It's jsut a personal preference to me that it is "poor form" to buy a handgun online and pay my LOCAL gunstore only a token fee to file the FFL paperwork. It wasn't worth the roughly $50 in total savings to be the cheapo that wouldn't support his local retailer over 10% or less fo the purchase price.
    To be honest, I haven't found it a savings at all. Most stores are going to charge $50 just for being the middle man, after the online store raises the price the advertise because you're not paying cash, you end up paying more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I was wondering if the media is perpetuating a falsehood by saying there is a loophole with online purchases, which they are, UNLESS, there are any states where you don't have to produce a permit for the gun you are buying.

    Here in NC, the only gun I know you have to produce a permit for is a handgun, whether you buy it online and then pick it up form the dealer or buy directly from the dealer. I would imagine that's the case for every state.
    I think they are calling it a loop hole in the sense that the background check for the purchase would be dependent on the state from which the weapon was purchased. I don't think it has to do with permitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    To be honest, I haven't found it a savings at all. Most stores are going to charge $50 just for being the middle man, after the online store raises the price the advertise because you're not paying cash, you end up paying more...
    Yeah. From an economic standpoint, I never understood buying a weapon online. As you pointed out, it doesn't make sense.

    I'd only consider it if I knew the weapon well or it was a collectors piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Yeah. From an economic standpoint, I never understood buying a weapon online. As you pointed out, it doesn't make sense.

    I'd only consider it if I knew the weapon well or it was a collectors piece.
    If I could NOT fidn what I was lookign for lcally, I would consider it. And not in the "glocks are scarce right now" sense. More along the lines of somethign being rare, etc, not well ditributed. If I were to say, want a Red Jacket piston drive AR, I would first go to a few locl gunshops, and see if they could orde it wholesale for me, and would agree to the direct from manufacturer pricing, plus fee. IF they could order it wholesale and profit mroe then the fee then obvioulsy I would do it that way. If they ordered it at the same price as I could, then I would certainly order it and have it shipped to them to do the FFl paperwork.




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