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05-25-2013, 12:49 AM #74
Re: How can anyone still believe in God
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Re: How can anyone still believe in God
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05-25-2013, 02:12 AM #76
Re: How can anyone still believe in God
A someone is a something.
Actually, it hasn't. Please show me a quote where I was as flippant as, "Cool, remind me to care what you think."
No.
You're right, no one has been. My original sentence should have been:
I'm not going to handle people with kid gloves just because this section of my favorite Ravens website is apparently an echo chamber filled with people who believe on faith.
Not a shot. This sentence just more accurately reflects what I feel and how the conversation has been up to now.My Ravens Blog: Brittany Rants About Football
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Re: How can anyone still believe in God
You know the point I am trying to make. I am someone (and something a human) my computer is something.
I think it started right about here:
No one expects you to handle anyone with kid gloves. The conversation has been very respectful and people sharing their opinions without anyone else saying, why do you believe in fairy tales if you can't prove them. All was well and good till you case in pounding your chest like Godzilla about how proud an atheist you are, and spouting what you feel you need to with out reading what people are saying.
For example. HR said this:
Instead reading what he was saying, or trying to understand what he meant, you went on for 3 pages of "you said faith is the absence of logic, faith is the absence of logic nana nana boo boo stick your head in doodoo"
As HR pointed out, faith is a deep personal issue, no one has told you you don't have a good reason not to believe what you want, you should be respectful at least to others about what they believe.
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Re: How can anyone still believe in God
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05-25-2013, 09:53 AM #79Legendary RSR Poster
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Well said NC
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05-28-2013, 05:50 PM #80
Re: How can anyone still believe in God
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05-28-2013, 06:10 PM #81
Re: How can anyone still believe in God
I know the point you are trying to make. Unfortunately, it is a terrible point. If you say something can't come from nothing then say a god can come from nothing, you are being intellectually dishonest. It is a logical fallacy. In logic, one does not get to make rules and then break them, let alone immediately/in the same breath. Whether or not a god is a something or a someone doesn't make a difference, because a someone is a type of something.
It's like saying, "An animal can't have its heart stop beating and still be alive, but parrots can," and then when someone points out how a parrot is an animal, you say, "No, a parrot is a BIRD," as if all birds aren't animals. All someones are also somethings. Your, Sirdowski's, and Jonboy's point is invalid.
I stick by that statement because it made a quick point and, at worst, was (to use HR's word) "snarky." So I'll say now what I said to HR: It may have been snarky but it was also true. If someone (in this case, Sirdowski) thinks it's "easy" to prove a god exists using nature/science, that someone will get a Nobel Prize and deserve it. The fact he hasn't yet suggests it's not so "easy." (FWIW, he all but said afterward that it was probably not the best choice of words for him.)
A little bit different from "Cool, remind me to care what you think."
Like Godzilla? Ha. Sure, I'm a proud atheist. But I'm not confident that I'm right. I'm confident that I'm being rational and logical while a few others here are not.
Just because something is a "deep personal issue" doesn't mean others don't have the right to comment on it, or that the issue should not be subjected to the same level of scrutiny as anything else would be when it's the topic on the table.
I agree that the commentary/scrutiny should be respectful, and I think I have been here. (I haven't been perfectly polite, but neither have you and few people ever are.) But if believers take offense when someone calls their belief/faith "illogical" at the same time they insist that logic cannot be applied to their belief/faith, then they are trying to have their cake and eat it too. That's something that deserves to be called out.Last edited by akashicrecorder; 05-28-2013 at 06:25 PM.
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Re: How can anyone still believe in God
Okay, well than if wasn't God, what is science's explanation for something coming from nothing?
It's not like that at all, but since you seem to think that's the only point we've got and you can call it "invalid" as if that means your right, that's cool.
So you're the authority on who is being logical and rational? Or is it if someone doesn't agree with you, than they're not being logical or rational?
Just remember that when you jump down others throat about their comments on matters you care about i.e gay marriage, political correctness etc.
I don't take offense when anybody calls my faith illigical, I haven't taken offense to anything you said. I just didn't have an interest in talking to someone who says the are not trying to offend me and then finishes that post with the equivalent of "you believe in fairy tales ( what an idiot)". But tell me something, to have faith is to believe in something that you can't prove or cannot see, than by that definition isn't your faith in how the universe came to be "illogical"?
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05-28-2013, 07:31 PM #83
The prevailing theory is a Penrose-Hawking singularity. Essentially, there's a mathematical model of the big bang, or singularity theorem, that shows the big bang caused itself. It was able to cause itself, as it's supposed it existed in "nothing".
Just replace "god" with "singularity":
As a matter of fact, science tells us that everything in the universe has a cause, but the universe itself did not.
How, by your own standards, is this not "invalid" also?
The point to take away from this is not that both views are simply invalid because they invoke an uncaused cause, but that for there to be a causal chain at all, there had to be an uncaused cause . This fact alone should plainly show you that you are climbing a slippery slope with your insistence on logic. I've tried to show you that, but you are unable to see the forest for the trees.“Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”
–Eleanor Roosevelt
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05-28-2013, 07:58 PM #84Legendary RSR Poster
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To the point that people here took offense to something.
I didn't take offense to anything that was said either.
My issue is the need by aka (or anyone for that matter) to "prove" others wrong. Very curious and, in a small way, sad. A good debate is wonderful. Being lectured? Not so much.
I imagine this is exactly how my gay friends feel when someone tells them how "wrong" they are.
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