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    Re: Bryan Hall at ILB



    This is the "Reverse Kruger" experiment... Bc




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    Re: Bryan Hall at ILB

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    This is the "Reverse Kruger" experiment... Bc
    Sounds like a wrestling maneuver.




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    Re: Bryan Hall at ILB

    Not a bad move for Hall. He had zero chance of making the team at DL. At linebacker he has nothing but UDFA's like himself ahead of him. He apparently wanted to play ILB in college but they had him put on weight to play at DT




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    Re: Bryan Hall at ILB

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    This is the "Reverse Kruger" experiment... Bc
    Kruger was a second round pick and had a significant amount of investment put into him, at least a lot more than Bryan Hall. Bryan Hall is only an undrafted player and has next to no cap value on the team and no picks are invested into him. This is a move that could possibly work out really well, and we don't even have to pay him yet.




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    Re: Bryan Hall at ILB

    If he is so athletic and the move to MiLB doesnt work out, why can't he move to OLB for depth and ST's as well. No lose situation.




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    Re: Bryan Hall switching to inside LB

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I heard Ryan Mink suggest this in a video on BR a few days ago. Maybe my memory is just fuzzy but i dont think Hall is a better athlete than Upshaw and I dont think Upshaws primed for that position switch either. Pees has me questioning this mindset of everybody play everywhere with a simple saying "jack of all trades, master of none". I like the idea of the best players playing, but i dont like the idea of our best players playing out of position simply because we didnt fill a hole. Having a guy have a defined role allows him to play to strengths and minimize weaknesses.

    Its not always a bad thing to have your best pass rusher beside you when its an obvious run play and your best run stuffer is in the game instead. or vice versa. Ill wait to see the end product but this all seems like putting square pegs in round holes just because we have nothing better to fill them with currently.

    Article says he lost 25lbs so hes 6'-0" 270 +/- right now. id assume 250 is the goal for ILB.
    Can't disagree more. He's very athletic for his weight, and you have to think that he'll be even more athletic once he sheds the weight. At the end of the day, the coaches are seeing these guys on the practice field every day, and there is obviously a reason why they're doing this.




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    Re: Bryan Hall at ILB

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpiderWebb View Post
    Not a bad move for Hall. He had zero chance of making the team at DL.
    Hyperbole much?

    We hear comments like this every year....player A won't make the team and, come late August, he's not even one of the last 3-4 guys fighting for a roster spot. Hall is well above a 50% favorite to make the Ravens, whether as a D-lineman or a MLB.

    There is just no precedent in the Ravens' post-Harbaugh history to suggest he would even be considered to be cut, particularly with being under team control through 2015. This wasn't a guy who was added off a practice squad who was signed with 3 weeks left in the year. This was a guy who made the team out of camp last year and was on the active roster all 16 games. Raven history suggests that that type of player is never released. The only two guys I can think of who come to mind who defy this exception were Marcus Smith and Antwan Barnes. Smith was cut before 2011 and Barnes was traded to Philly because he was likely to be cut. However, the big difference was that both of those guys were entering their 4th NFL season, so IRing them for another year wasn't an option, since they would have been UFAs.

    60% chance Hall makes the Ravens. 40% chance he is IRed and saved for 2014 and 2015. 0% chance he is cut.




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    Re: Bryan Hall switching to inside LB

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Can't disagree more. He's very athletic for his weight, and you have to think that he'll be even more athletic once he sheds the weight. At the end of the day, the coaches are seeing these guys on the practice field every day, and there is obviously a reason why they're doing this.
    Well see. I think there is a certain heirarchy for positions and athlectism. An athletic DT doesnt equate to an athletic ILb. Cutting weight isnt always the cure all people seem to think it is. Honestly i dont remember halls play enough to justly say he cant but knowing the positions i do find it highly unlikely. Like i said, well see. Obviously i wish him well for our sake but this staff isnt without fault with players switching and playing out of position, see paul kruger, michael oher, etc.

    I think they like him, but id say their depth at DL is driving this more than his ability at ILB which is yet to be seen by any of us, including them.
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    Re: Bryan Hall switching to inside LB

    I seriously doubt the coaching staff handed out color coded badges then spun the Twister spinner to see who was switching to ILB.

    Obviously they see the athletic ability and work ethic in Hall that they feel he can potentially fill the role. Nothing to lose here trying it out.

    I also do not see a move like this precluding them from taking an ILB in the draft if a guy they like is there in the first 3 rounds. This seems to be a move where if it works out then he could potentially take a guy like McClains spot when the cap ramifications of cutting him are more friendly. This to me is about the Ravens trying to find use for a guy who they like, respect and would not have a spot on the team otherwise likely.
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    Re: Bryan Hall switching to inside LB

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I heard Ryan Mink suggest this in a video on BR a few days ago. Maybe my memory is just fuzzy but i dont think Hall is a better athlete than Upshaw and I dont think Upshaws primed for that position switch either. Pees has me questioning this mindset of everybody play everywhere with a simple saying "jack of all trades, master of none". I like the idea of the best players playing, but i dont like the idea of our best players playing out of position simply because we didnt fill a hole. Having a guy have a defined role allows him to play to strengths and minimize weaknesses.

    Its not always a bad thing to have your best pass rusher beside you when its an obvious run play and your best run stuffer is in the game instead. or vice versa. Ill wait to see the end product but this all seems like putting square pegs in round holes just because we have nothing better to fill them with currently.

    Article says he lost 25lbs so hes 6'-0" 270 +/- right now. id assume 250 is the goal for ILB.
    If he has lost 25 lbs already. Losing another 20 lbs or so would be losing like 40-45 lbs, I doubt that will happen. Their is no written in stone rule on what you need to weigh to play a position as long as you are good at it. I cant imagine a player losing 45lbs from one season to the next who wasn't fat to begin with. The guy is only 6ft tall. With his atleticism, and dropping even 20lbs, he could play OLB, hydrid OLB/DE or MLB...gives the Ravens options for a interior DL man who would be caught in a logjam. Hope it works out. Nothing to lose.




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    Re: Bryan Hall switching to inside LB

    Quote Originally Posted by Tolucaraven View Post
    If he has lost 25 lbs already. Losing another 20 lbs or so would be losing like 40-45 lbs, I doubt that will happen. Their is no written in stone rule on what you need to weigh to play a position as long as you are good at it. I cant imagine a player losing 45lbs from one season to the next who wasn't fat to begin with. The guy is only 6ft tall. With his atleticism, and dropping even 20lbs, he could play OLB, hydrid OLB/DE or MLB...gives the Ravens options for a interior DL man who would be caught in a logjam. Hope it works out. Nothing to lose.
    Nagata "could play" safety, Doesnt mean hes best suitsd to. I think this is a move simply to keep around a player they like and nothing more. Desperate attempt even. Knowing how the position od ILB has changed over the years i just dont see how a DT, even an athletic one, can make the transition to basically a large safety which is ideal for todays game. Theres a reason ray lewis and mcclain dropped down to 230-240. Because big run stuffing ILB arent needed anymore and coverage skills are emphasized.




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    The Redskins did something similar with Lorenzo Alexander and he turned out to be a pretty solid linebacker for them.

    I would love to see Hall out there. That guy has always impressed me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolucaraven View Post

    If he has lost 25 lbs already. Losing another 20 lbs or so would be losing like 40-45 lbs, I doubt that will happen. Their is no written in stone rule on what you need to weigh to play a position as long as you are good at it. I cant imagine a player losing 45lbs from one season to the next who wasn't fat to begin with. The guy is only 6ft tall. With his atleticism, and dropping even 20lbs, he could play OLB, hydrid OLB/DE or MLB...gives the Ravens options for a interior DL man who would be caught in a logjam. Hope it works out. Nothing to lose.
    I doubt he was 290. Maybe at his heaviest. The Ravens website still had Kruger at 275 pounds for a while and there was no way that was true. There was no way he was heavier than Suggs.

    Hall was probably more along the lines of 275-280. So, dropping 20 pounds isnt that unheard of as long he is doing it the right way.

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    Re: Bryan Hall switching to inside LB

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    The Redskins did something similar with Lorenzo Alexander and he turned out to be a pretty solid linebacker for them.

    I would love to see Hall out there. That guy has always impressed me.

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    He played defensive end and moved to outside linebacker. I dont think many would even bat an eye at that move. DT to ILB is a completely different animal imo. If we had a hole at SAM id be a lot more receptive to the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    The Redskins did something similar with Lorenzo Alexander and he turned out to be a pretty solid linebacker for them.

    I would love to see Hall out there. That guy has always impressed me.

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    I agree. He never fails to grab your attention. I'm sure the coaches see the same thing.
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