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  1. #31

    Re: Ravens Cap Update



    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    I finally figured out why my spreadsheet was different from Brian's and now we have workout bonuses altering it again???? BTW, how do I see the updated spreadsheet...the only one I can find is the one that shows us at $118.738m in used space.
    Sorry about that. I had assumed the $504K was already included in the original adjustment of $799K - because the $504K is supposed to count as of the 1st day of the league year - but, obviously, the NFLPA took their time including them. So, all teams had a negative adjustment of $504K this week.
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  2. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    What updates were made to your spreadsheet from the last version that had us with $7.7M under?

    I know of: Dumervil, Huff, BA release. Also looks like you are temporarily assigning the Pollard Roster Bonus to our cap ($3.25M dead money vs. $2.75M). But these 4 things do not get us from $7.7M under to $4.14M under, what other event am I missing? Is it Incentives Adjustment that went up?

    Great work as always, Ravor, your analysis is much appreciated.
    Thanks.

    Here's a breakdown of how we got there:

    $7,707,586
    - $500K for the inclusion of Pollard's RB =

    $7,202,586 - (as reported on NFL.com http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...-each-nfl-team )
    - $2.5M Dumbervil
    + $480K for player removed from rule of 51 =

    $5,187,586
    -1.35 Huff
    + $480K for player removed from rule of 51 =

    $4,317,586
    - $504K for workout bonuses =

    $3,813,586
    +940K Ayanbadejo's base salary
    - 133,334 (2014 bonus proration for BA)
    - $480K (new 51st player to replace BA) =

    $4,140,252 Present Cap Space - as shown here: http://russellstreetreport.com/salary-cap/

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    To tie that back into the $5,356,586 erroneously reported by the NFLPA (which was prior to BA's release):

    $3,813,586 (from above, prior to BA's release)
    + $2,023,000 (Arthur Jones' omission)
    - $480K (Jones' replacement amongst the top 51) =

    $5,356,586
    Last edited by B-more Ravor; 04-05-2013 at 10:11 AM.
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  3. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    I'll answer for Brian. Ravens probably won't need much.

    So, by best estimates, you are looking at a $920k rookie adjustment to the cap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    I'll answer for Brian. Ravens probably won't need much.

    If they do indeed draft 32nd, versus trading down, that 32nd pick will probably have a 2013 cap figure of $1.2-$1.3m. Let's just say it's $1.28 for the sake of simplicity. The 32nd pick will remove a player making $480k from the RO51 and up the salary cap total $800k. Last year, Kelechi Osemele was the 60th pick and he made $608k. We pick 62nd this year, so it's safe to say our 2nd rounder will make roughly $600k. This only ups our cap figure by $120k. Our 3rd round picks and later will have no impact on our cap at all since they make roughly what the last guy already on the roster is making.

    So, by best estimates, you are looking at a $920k rookie adjustment to the cap.
    Luke's got it. Just don't forget to include the prorated signing bonuses of all rookies even if not in the top 51... So the number jumps a couple hundred thous.

    Either way, as luke said, it won't require much.




  5. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by lance1086 View Post
    Luke's got it. Just don't forget to include the prorated signing bonuses of all rookies even if not in the top 51... So the number jumps a couple hundred thous.

    Either way, as luke said, it won't require much.

    That's correct. All bonus prorations count too.

    I'll be doing a new projection for this year in the coming week, but here is an explanation of how the rookie Cap actually works:

    http://russellstreetreport.com/an-ex...p-really-work/
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  6. #36

    Re: Ravens Cap Update

    Finally I understand the rookie cap.... Thanks for the breakdown, Brian.




  7. #37

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    Just to confirm my numbers of last week, when I said the NFLPA's records were wrong, they have now updated/corrected their numbers and agree with my $4,140,252 under:

    https://www.nflplayers.com/reports/R...x?report=top51

    Full Ravens Cap breakdown here:

    http://russellstreetreport.com/salary-cap/
    Last edited by B-more Ravor; 04-10-2013 at 04:15 PM.
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    On point as always. Thanks, Ravor.
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  9. #39

    Re: Ravens Cap Update

    Brian McFarland‏@RavensSalaryCap8m
    If reports of McClain's deal @ $700K are correct, impact on Cap is only $220K once Ruleof51 is applied. Player he replaces was making $480K

    Brian McFarland‏@RavensSalaryCap5m
    McClain's deal at $700K would leave Ravens at $3,920,252 under the Salary Cap. Will receive an additional $2.5M in 6/2 for Pollard.
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    look on the bright side rolando... making 700k in baltimore is like making 3 million in cali




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    Re: Ravens Cap Update

    Quote Originally Posted by B-more Ravor View Post
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    McClain's deal at $700K would leave Ravens at $3,920,252 under the Salary Cap. Will receive an additional $2.5M in 6/2 for Pollard.
    what happened to that cap hell that Flacco's deal was supposed to put us in?

    LOL...Ozzie Newsome and Pat Moriarty, doing it and doing it and doing it well.
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    Re: Ravens Cap Update

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    what happened to that cap hell that Flacco's deal was supposed to put us in?

    LOL...Ozzie Newsome and Pat Moriarty, doing it and doing it and doing it well.
    Yep, but there still is a day of reconing coming.
    His cap number is 29 million in 2016, but he gets 62 mil average over the first 3 years. The deal is backloaded high base salary meeting prorated bonus, so there is a delayed re-negotiation coming.

    We won't be like Oakland (I've heard 49million dead money for players not on the team currently) but we will have to be careful with others' deals.
    Nice to see Oakland's cap disaster benefitting us (Huff and maybe.....)

    The cap hell scenario hasn't gone away, just shifted to the future for now, and no present worries for us for 2 1/2 years.... then the discussions will start here about can we afford to keep Joe... I for one am settling down to see if we can defend the hardware
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    Re: Ravens Cap Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Rxdoxx View Post
    Yep, but there still is a day of reconing coming.
    His cap number is 29 million in 2016, but he gets 62 mil average over the first 3 years. The deal is backloaded high base salary meeting prorated bonus, so there is a delayed re-negotiation coming.

    We won't be like Oakland (I've heard 49million dead money for players not on the team currently) but we will have to be careful with others' deals.
    Nice to see Oakland's cap disaster benefitting us (Huff and maybe.....)

    The cap hell scenario hasn't gone away, just shifted to the future for now, and no present worries for us for 2 1/2 years.... then the discussions will start here about can we afford to keep Joe... I for one am settling down to see if we can defend the hardware
    Cap issues are vastly overrated. Smart teams have ways to get creative with their accounting to create cap space. You look at Oakland now who have a ton of dead money this year, but they will have 69 mil in cap space next year. They were just reckless giving out ridiculous contracts with Al Davis running things, and they are taking the hit now in order to clear their books.

    When Flacco's cap hit goes up in 3 years, they'll restructure his deal to give him his money up front in a bonus and spread the hit out over several years to get his cap number lower much like the Pats did with Brady.




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    Re: Ravens Cap Update

    Speaking of the Raiders, my wife's uncle is a fan and is gloating about how Reggie McKenzie has put them in the best position to spend on free agents next year with 49 mil in cap space open next year and look out, because here come the Raiders.

    I started to reply, but thought "nah, better not. Let him enjoy this brief moment of false hope..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    Speaking of the Raiders, my wife's uncle is a fan and is gloating about how Reggie McKenzie has put them in the best position to spend on free agents next year with 49 mil in cap space open next year and look out, because here come the Raiders.

    I started to reply, but thought "nah, better not. Let him enjoy this brief moment of false hope..."
    I do like what McKenzie is doing. He's slowly cleaning up the mess that he inherited. They just need to stick with him and be patient.




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