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04-04-2013, 01:48 PM #25Legendary RSR Poster
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04-04-2013, 02:37 PM #26Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: McKinnie ?
This.
McKinnie was probably the guy Harbaugh hated the most on the team. We wouldn't bring him back if he would play for vet minimum. I think playing McKinnie was a big part of the "mutiny". If you watch the mic'ed up highlights of the AFC Championship there is a part where Reed is on the bench saying "this is the o-line we have been talking about all year. They're invincible". I took it is Reed saying, "It's about time Harbaugh got his head out of his ass and played the best combination of players on the o-line". I think Oher is the starting left tackle next year. He sucks at the position, but he is a hard worker. He's a Harballer.
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04-04-2013, 03:18 PM #27
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While I don't think there is zero chance of McKinney returning, it's pretty damn unlikely. He is the back-up-back-up plan. They will likely see how the draft plays out, check out the post draft free agency market, and if no solution presents itself they will sign him for at or near the vet minimum for a year while they cross their fingers for next year.
That's what I expect they are thinking at least, I personally would have signed him already. I can't go through another Oher move to LT. I'd rather give Jah Reid, Ramon Harewood, or Jack Cornell a chance at LT before Oher.
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04-04-2013, 03:20 PM #28Legendary RSR Poster
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bmorecareful "McKinnie IS NOT coming back next year."
You both may be right, but let's ponder the situation. Question : "Would the Ravens had gotten to/won the Super Bowl without McKinnie @ LT?" IMO the answer is "NO." So, if he would agree to a bit more than the veteran minimum, considering the Ravens do not have an LT replacement at this time, why sholdn't Ozzie resign him? It's a legitimate question... Bc
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04-04-2013, 03:33 PM #29Pro Bowl Poster
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I am shocked at some these comments. McKinnie was in the dog house all year and he didn't complain one time , when he finally got his chance he was lights out. Why not bring him back as another option if our draft pick or other options don't work out.
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04-04-2013, 03:33 PM #30Pro Bowl Poster
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It's a VERY legitimate question. It's one thing to be all bravado when you've GOT a backup plan. It's quite another to be all bravado when you don't. The Ravens have nothing at LT as of this moment. Nothing. I don't care how much Castillo might THINK that KO will fill in at LT. Until he's DONE it, it's all speculation. McKinnie is more than speculation. The fact that he's less than perfect really means little; the world is less than perfect. All the moves so far have been fine as far as fixing the defense. Now it's time to fix the O-line. Or it's not going to be pretty.
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04-04-2013, 03:40 PM #31Pro Bowl Poster
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04-04-2013, 03:45 PM #32Pro Bowl Poster
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Thanks Harv. I appreciate the fact that you started this thread. I honestly don't understand the casual approach a lot of fans are taking to this void at LT, especially those thinking out of hand that McKinnie is not a legit solution. There have been lots of things that Ozzie has done well. Most things, in fact. The O-line, unfortunately, has just not been one of them. And I would have assumed that after signing Joe to a huge contract (that he clearly earned, IMO), the O-line would have been priority #1. It does not appear as if it is, and that's a legit concern.
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04-04-2013, 03:52 PM #33Hall Of Fame Poster
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First of all, I'm not at all sure that McKinnie's play at LT was the SOLE factor, or even the most important factor, in the Ravens' Super Bowl run. Go back and look at Filmstudy's grades of McKinnie during the playoffs, and you'll find that McKinnie wasn't actually playing all that great overall. Flacco and the offense were stepping up and making plays despite that.
vs. IND .85 B+
@ DEN .74 C+
@ NWE .70 C
vs. SFO .68 C-
And Filmstudy gave him an aggregate C, albeit better than Oher. So it wasn't as if McKinnie was playing at some herculean level individually. Now, if your argument is that "well, it wasn't really McKinnie at LT, it was just KO at LG and Oher at RT..." if that argument is true, they don't need McKinnie anyway! They just need someone ELSE to step in at LT, so why is McKinnie the best option? He's an average-to-mediocre player EVEN IN LIMITED ACTION, and is totally untrustworthy as a 16+ game starter.
I just can't grasp this notion that McKinnie--a guy the team DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY AT ALL LAST YEAR and never even sniffed overtaking Oher, even after some truly horrible showings at LT--is somehow necessary to the offense playing well in 2013. It's just not going to happen, not with this head coach and this FO. They don't WANT McKinnie at ANY price, period, and I can't say I disagree with them.
By the way... regarding this whole meme that franchise QBs need elite LTs above all else... Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning (before 2012), Eli Manning etc. etc. etc... all say hello. Franchise QBs that NEVER had elite LTs, but have 7 Super Bowl rings between them. Obviously having an elite LT is very nice to have, but it is NOT the be-all end-all of offensive success.
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04-04-2013, 03:54 PM #34Pro Bowl Poster
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I don't think we would have won the Superbowl without McKinnie at LT. I know we wouldn't have won it without Boldin. That doesn't factor into the thought process. For the record, I am all for bringing back McKinnie as a stop gap, but it is apparent that they are letting Harbaugh have a lot more input in personnel decisions, and there is no way he brings McKinnie back. The guy that said that Bryant would have never played if Jah Reid didn't get injured is absolutely correct. Harbaugh had no intention of McKinnie ever taking a snap last season. It wasn't a motivational tactic that ended up paying dividends like a lot of fans are suggesting. It was a move forced by injury.
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04-04-2013, 04:28 PM #35Pro Bowl Poster
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As long as he's got some alternative, fine. I'm not wedded to McKinnie at all. It's just that in the absence of any real alternative, McKinnie wins my vote by default. I felt the Ravens should have gone after Bushrod. But that's water over the dam at this point. I don't see any LTs in the draft, aside from the top three, and they'll be gone long before the Ravens pick. So what's left? McKinnie. Oher. KO. Hmmmmmmmm....
(And as an aside...if one is to assume that Harbaugh would never take McKinnie back, then all the news reports of Harbaugh calling McKinnie to tell him he'd like him back are false?)
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04-04-2013, 04:37 PM #36
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Maybe Ozzie wants to see how fat (or in shape) McKinnie is going to get before making a decision.
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