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    McKinnie IS NOT coming back next year. I don't care how many "conversations" he claims he's had with Harbaugh, or what coachspeak comes out of John's mouth. He's not coming back! Mark that down as my most bulletproof prediction of the year. If I'm wrong feel free to put this in your signature to remind me as much as possible.

    This is a guy who WOULD NOT HAVE PLAYED A SNAP last year without Jah Reid getting hurt. Oher wasn't very good at LT in 2012, in fact he was downright bad quite often, but he kept the job all 16 games. If Jah Reid would have been healthy for the playoffs they would have plugged him in at LG just like they did every other time he was healthy. When Reid went down, they KNEW they couldn't hand the job back to Harewood or B. Williams. They had NO CHOICE but to plug KO in at LG, and that opened up a hole at RT. McKinnie can't play RT, but Oher can, so the ONLY OPTION was to play McKinnie.

    No matter how much we try to massage the narrative after the fact, McKinnie was not in the Ravens' plans to play a snap at LT in 2012, and I see NO REASON to think he's in the plans for 2013. End of story. They'll play Oher at LT because they like him there--they always have and the results on the field have never been and will never be an impediment to that.

    I don't LIKE Oher at LT, but it's going to be either him or Osemele at LT on opening day. If the OL is strong at the other 4 positions the offense as a whole can probably overcome bad LT play. I think bringing in an RT option like Winston or Clabo is the direction the team will go.




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    Re: McKinnie ?

    Not much news, but apparently McKinnie's agent has been speaking with Newsome in preliminary talks. Doesn't mean a whole lot, and in the end I think McKinnie is not with the team next year, due to several obvious reasons.

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/...5-e155cead8afd




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    Yes, McKinnie might not have the greatest work ethic but if he comes back for a minimum deal, why complain?




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    Re: McKinnie ?

    Quote Originally Posted by helloharv View Post
    It seems like a no brainer to bring him back .... what is the hold up?

    Do you think it is the Ravens holding this up by looking at other options or do you think he is trying to get more money from another team?
    The holdup is that Ozzie doesn't think it's a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I don't LIKE Oher at LT, but it's going to be either him or Osemele at LT on opening day. If the OL is strong at the other 4 positions the offense as a whole can probably overcome bad LT play. I think bringing in an RT option like Winston or Clabo is the direction the team will go.
    Oher at LT, or a project, in KO, is NOT the solution to protect the blind side of a franchise QB. Sorry. That just doesn't wash. McKinnie is better than EITHER of those options.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    The holdup is that Ozzie doesn't think it's a no-brainer.
    Then the question remains: what IS Ozzie's solution, then?




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    Re: McKinnie ?

    If McKinnie is signed, I think it's a post-draft move. Really, I think/hope the FO realizes that Oher isn't a LT. So either we get a good LT prospect in the draft, then maybe don't need McKinnie, or we get a developmental guy and bring back McKinnie for a year to help keep the spot warm.

    In any case, his market seems pretty dried up. He knows Ravens would probably be his best spot, so I think Ozzie is willing to play chicken here. McKinnie, either you wait and get some money, or you take whatever deal is out there now. He's betting McKinnie waits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    Oher at LT, or a project, in KO, is NOT the solution to protect the blind side of a franchise QB. Sorry. That just doesn't wash. McKinnie is better than EITHER of those options.
    ITA.

    As a rookie Oher did an outstanding job at RT but I think the constantly moving him around has if anything caused him to regress as a player. Maybe that stint at LT caused him to lose a bit of confidence but he is just not the same player that he once was. He is not now nor will he ever be anything but an average to below average LT in the NFL. As far as the other alternatives Clabo and Winston as RT's as well as Smith and in his case he's looking for a contract in the neighborhood of $9-10M per season so they aren't really viable options either. The likelihood that they are going to find a LT in this years draft who can come in and start immediately is extremely remote. Lastly,no one really wants to risk bringing Gaither back and he would seemingly be a less reliable option than McKinnie. We've all seen how Flacco plays when he gets solid protection and we've seen how he plays when he doesn't, and if the team isn't careful this move or the lack of a move has the potential to either make or break the entire season. I hope the team strongly considers resigning McKinnie to something along the lines of a 2 year deal with loads on incentives that includes a weight clause. Signing Gaither to a vet minimum deal to come in and serve as the backup may not be the worst idea either.




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    Re: McKinnie ?

    I think he'll end up signing a one year deal for a very cheap price because of the lack of interest.

    I think that the Ravens will draft a versatile Olineman who will end up playing guard and will shift KO to LT in 2014 were I believe they want him to play eventually.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I think he'll end up signing a one year deal for a very cheap price because of the lack of interest.
    I think that the Ravens will draft a versatile Olineman who will end up playing guard and will shift KO to LT in 2014 were I believe they want him to play eventually.
    Oh, I can agree with that, leach. I can see McKinnie signed for about 10% over the veteran minimum. Or else he can face his financial problems in 2013, which would not be to his benefit... Bc




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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    McKinnie IS NOT coming back next year. I don't care how many "conversations" he claims he's had with Harbaugh, or what coachspeak comes out of John's mouth. He's not coming back! Mark that down as my most bulletproof prediction of the year. If I'm wrong feel free to put this in your signature to remind me as much as possible.

    This is a guy who WOULD NOT HAVE PLAYED A SNAP last year without Jah Reid getting hurt. Oher wasn't very good at LT in 2012, in fact he was downright bad quite often, but he kept the job all 16 games. If Jah Reid would have been healthy for the playoffs they would have plugged him in at LG just like they did every other time he was healthy. When Reid went down, they KNEW they couldn't hand the job back to Harewood or B. Williams. They had NO CHOICE but to plug KO in at LG, and that opened up a hole at RT. McKinnie can't play RT, but Oher can, so the ONLY OPTION was to play McKinnie.

    No matter how much we try to massage the narrative after the fact, McKinnie was not in the Ravens' plans to play a snap at LT in 2012, and I see NO REASON to think he's in the plans for 2013. End of story. They'll play Oher at LT because they like him there--they always have and the results on the field have never been and will never be an impediment to that.

    I don't LIKE Oher at LT, but it's going to be either him or Osemele at LT on opening day. If the OL is strong at the other 4 positions the offense as a whole can probably overcome bad LT play. I think bringing in an RT option like Winston or Clabo is the direction the team will go.
    This.

    McKinnie was probably the guy Harbaugh hated the most on the team. We wouldn't bring him back if he would play for vet minimum. I think playing McKinnie was a big part of the "mutiny". If you watch the mic'ed up highlights of the AFC Championship there is a part where Reed is on the bench saying "this is the o-line we have been talking about all year. They're invincible". I took it is Reed saying, "It's about time Harbaugh got his head out of his ass and played the best combination of players on the o-line". I think Oher is the starting left tackle next year. He sucks at the position, but he is a hard worker. He's a Harballer.




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    Re: McKinnie ?

    While I don't think there is zero chance of McKinney returning, it's pretty damn unlikely. He is the back-up-back-up plan. They will likely see how the draft plays out, check out the post draft free agency market, and if no solution presents itself they will sign him for at or near the vet minimum for a year while they cross their fingers for next year.

    That's what I expect they are thinking at least, I personally would have signed him already. I can't go through another Oher move to LT. I'd rather give Jah Reid, Ramon Harewood, or Jack Cornell a chance at LT before Oher.




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    bmorecareful "McKinnie IS NOT coming back next year."

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    This.
    McKinnie was probably the guy Harbaugh hated the most on the team. We wouldn't bring him back if he would play for vet minimum...
    You both may be right, but let's ponder the situation. Question : "Would the Ravens had gotten to/won the Super Bowl without McKinnie @ LT?" IMO the answer is "NO." So, if he would agree to a bit more than the veteran minimum, considering the Ravens do not have an LT replacement at this time, why sholdn't Ozzie resign him? It's a legitimate question... Bc




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    I am shocked at some these comments. McKinnie was in the dog house all year and he didn't complain one time , when he finally got his chance he was lights out. Why not bring him back as another option if our draft pick or other options don't work out.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    bmorecareful "McKinnie IS NOT coming back next year."



    You both may be right, but let's ponder the situation. Question : "Would the Ravens had gotten to/won the Super Bowl without McKinnie @ LT?" IMO the answer is "NO." So, if he would agree to a bit more than the veteran minimum, considering the Ravens do not have an LT replacement at this time, why sholdn't Ozzie resign him? It's a legitimate question... Bc
    It's a VERY legitimate question. It's one thing to be all bravado when you've GOT a backup plan. It's quite another to be all bravado when you don't. The Ravens have nothing at LT as of this moment. Nothing. I don't care how much Castillo might THINK that KO will fill in at LT. Until he's DONE it, it's all speculation. McKinnie is more than speculation. The fact that he's less than perfect really means little; the world is less than perfect. All the moves so far have been fine as far as fixing the defense. Now it's time to fix the O-line. Or it's not going to be pretty.




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