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    Re: Rumor: Harbs wanted Reed gone



    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    The Adalius Thomas issue with Belichick was one of the few sniffs you even here of from Foxborough.
    Moss talking publicly a while back about his contract demands might be another one.




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    Re: Rumor: Harbs wanted Reed gone

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    Moss talking publicly a while back about his contract demands might be another one.
    Here's another...benching Wes Welker for the foot jokes before that Jets playoff game a couple years ago.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




  3. #123

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Here's another...benching Wes Welker for the foot jokes before that Jets playoff game a couple years ago.
    LOL. BB don't play.




  4. #124

    Re: Rumor: Harbs wanted Reed gone

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    LOL. BB don't play.
    Yup.

    And I don't know if these two moves had anything to do with discipline, but how about when he cut Lawyer Milloy a week before the season started...or traded Richard Seymour to the the worst team in the league a week before the season started as well.

    I'd have to think that if anything would affect players wanting to play for a coach, the things BB has done would be exhibit A...much worse than anything Harbaugh has done, yet players still flock to New England and players seem to have no problem coming here.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Rumor: Harbs wanted Reed gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Yup.

    And I don't know if these two moves had anything to do with discipline, but how about when he cut Lawyer Milloy a week before the season started...or traded Richard Seymour to the the worst team in the league a week before the season started as well.
    At least Ozzie sent Boldin to the 2d best team in the league with a shot at another ring. Players took note and that's
    why they seem to want to come here. He always puts a winning team on the field. Same with Bellicheat who has been
    to 1/2 dozen SBs and has 3 rings. That's how Oz signed Huff. He wanted to go to a SB team and skipped his next visit
    to GB to sign here.
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  6. #126

    Re: Rumor: Harbs wanted Reed gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Yup.

    And I don't know if these two moves had anything to do with discipline, but how about when he cut Lawyer Milloy a week before the season started...or traded Richard Seymour to the the worst team in the league a week before the season started as well.

    I'd have to think that if anything would affect players wanting to play for a coach, the things BB has done would be exhibit A...much worse than anything Harbaugh has done, yet players still flock to New England and players seem to have no problem coming here.
    That's why I don't understand all the negativity over Harbaugh taking control of the team, IF, in fact, that's what he's done. So what? That's what head coaches DO. Good ones, anyway. I think it's sending a message that if you want to play for the Ravens, you better be prepared to tow the line. I remember when Kelley Washington first arrived. He was like: "You think John Harbaugh is tough? You haven't SEEN tough. BB is TOUGH". And he knew what he was talking about. I think John Harbaugh walked a very diplomatic line as long as Ray Lewis and Ed Reed were here. Now it's his show -- for better and/or for worse. Personally, I think he'll do fine. I haven't always been a big supporter of his, but he's earned my respect by taking a banged up team and winning a Super Bowl when about the only person on the planet who predicted the Ravens would win the Super Bowl was Jamie Dukes. Need I say more?





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    Re: Rumor: Harbs wanted Reed gone

    Priest: Do you denounce Satan and all of his works?

    John Harbaugh: I do denounce him.
    "When questioned, the Elders explained that they were in search of magical powers. However, they're actually searching for the whereabouts of a certain ring. This ring is a legendary treasure that long ago was known to exist"




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    Re: Rumor: Harbs wanted Reed gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Here's another...benching Wes Welker for the foot jokes before that Jets playoff game a couple years ago.
    Was it Terry Glenn (?) he basically sent packing before one of their SB runs.




  9. #129

    Re: Rumor: Harbs wanted Reed gone

    Quote Originally Posted by veritas View Post
    I said a few weeks back that the departures of Boldin and Pollard (and now Reed) had Harbaugh's fingerprints all over them. It looks like that is true. Apparently, the SB win gave him the freedom to get rid of all those he thought questioned his authority. Some may think that's the sign of a strong take-charge coach but it can also be a sign of insecurity.
    Or all these moves could have the fingerprints of a GM.

    That sign says something like "We are looking to remain competitive long-term and not mortgage the future, and the cap, on 30+ year-olds whose best seasons are behind them."




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    I guess when Jerry Rice went to Oakland, it was because he pissed the coaches off. Or when Montana went to the Cheifs. Or when Rod Woodson left the Steelers to join us. Or when Namath went to the Rams. Or when Emmit Smith went to the Cards. Or when Reggie White went to the Packers. Or when Junior Seau went to the Patriots.

    These things happen. Take Occam's razor and stop with the conspiracies.




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    Listen, this is idiotic. My brother could work for the NFL Network he knows so much about football. But we're from Buffalo, he still lives there and is a Bills fan, but he put the knowledge down.

    "Reed, Ozzie, Harbaugh, Bisciotti, the Ravens, the fans that actually know FOOTBALL, all knew it was about a payday. Period. And one wrong hit, collision, neck tweek, and Ed Reed is going to be like, sorry I'm out! Gotta worry about my health after football. But he still got a fat check from the Texans though didn't he? The Texans are idiots."

    I don't know why that is such hard fucking concept for people to swallow.




  12. #132

    Re: Rumor: Harbs wanted Reed gone

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Or all these moves could have the fingerprints of a GM.

    That sign says something like "We are looking to remain competitive long-term and not mortgage the future, and the cap, on 30+ year-olds whose best seasons are behind them."
    Perhaps but what cannot be disputed is that this is clearly Harbaugh's team now. There's no Ray, no Ed, no Boldin, no Pollard. About the only vets left are Suggs, Ngata and Flacco he won't get any grief from them. So, 2013 will be a real test as to what Harbaugh can do when he and not Ray Lewis or Ed Reed or Boldin, will have to be the inspirational leader.




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    Quote Originally Posted by veritas View Post
    Perhaps but what cannot be disputed is that this is clearly Harbaugh's team now. There's no Ray, no Ed, no Boldin, no Pollard. About the only vets left are Suggs, Ngata and Flacco he won't get any grief from them. So, 2013 will be a real test as to what Harbaugh can do when he and not Ray Lewis or Ed Reed or Boldin, will have to be the inspirational leader.
    I have to laugh at the whole "its Harbaugh's team now" philosophy.

    So basically its only the head coaches team if everyone who was a team leader when they arrived is gone? Really? Last time I checked when the Ravens floundered some under Brian Billick they fired Brian not Ed, not Ray and not anyone else. If the Ravens had gone 2-14 last year this would have been Harbaugh's team, his fault and his job.

    This has been Harbaugh's team since day 1. The Ravens are not an organization that is going to allow the inmates to run the farm. Hell that's the whole reason Harbaugh was on the sidelines and one Rex Ryan was not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenous1 View Post
    I have to laugh at the whole "its Harbaugh's team now" philosophy.

    So basically its only the head coaches team if everyone who was a team leader when they arrived is gone? Really? Last time I checked when the Ravens floundered some under Brian Billick they fired Brian not Ed, not Ray and not anyone else. If the Ravens had gone 2-14 last year this would have been Harbaugh's team, his fault and his job.

    This has been Harbaugh's team since day 1. The Ravens are not an organization that is going to allow the inmates to run the farm. Hell that's the whole reason Harbaugh was on the sidelines and one Rex Ryan was not.
    You really don't understand team culture, and who the PLAYERS respect, regardless of who the head coach is. When Harbaugh arrived he was a nobody. Ray and Ed are future HOF'ers; Harbaugh was an errand boy for Andy Reid. He'd never even been a coordinator; only a special teams coach his entire career. Over time, it BECAME Harbaugh's team. And 2013 will, as Veritas pointed out, be a test. I think he'll pass the test. But to say it was his team since day 1 is just wrong. He might have been Bisciotti's choice, but he wasn't the players choice. He had to prove himself to them. You clearly underestimate Ray and Ed's influence on the pre-2013 Ravens. They didn't go to HARBAUGH'S house for spiritual prayers on Thursday night, they went to RAY'S house. So you can laugh all you want.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    You really don't understand team culture, and who the PLAYERS respect, regardless of who the head coach is. When Harbaugh arrived he was a nobody. Ray and Ed are future HOF'ers; Harbaugh was an errand boy for Andy Reid. He'd never even been a coordinator; only a special teams coach his entire career. Over time, it BECAME Harbaugh's team. And 2013 will, as Veritas pointed out, be a test. I think he'll pass the test. But to say it was his team since day 1 is just wrong. He might have been Bisciotti's choice, but he wasn't the players choice. He had to prove himself to them. You clearly underestimate Ray and Ed's influence on the pre-2013 Ravens. They didn't go to HARBAUGH'S house for spiritual prayers on Thursday night, they went to RAY'S house. So you can laugh all you want.
    I played high school football and college Div 3 so I know a little something about team culture. But you being an ex-NFL player as I assume you are since you know so much more than us might have a leg up in that area lol

    And now that Ray and Ed are gone do you think they are going over to HARBAUGHS HOUSE (yes I can yell to) for spiritual guidance or is it more likely that they will be going to some other players house...I am betting on the latter. I think you confuse on the field leadership with the leadership of a football program. Those are two very distinct and different things. It was in high school, college and I am positive it is in the NFL.

    If this was ED AND RAY's TEAM as you assert then John would be coaching elsewhere. Ray and Ed are not dumb, they know who signs the checks, they like playing here and they know who the guy who signed their checks wants to run the show. Not hiring Rex was a direct and very open way of establishing that. Are Ed and Ray the on field leaders...most definitely but every team has on the field leader and its the head coaches job to utilize those guys to push his vision of what he feels the team should do.

    Go back and look what John did when he came here. I thought John made it clear that this was a new era, a new way of doing things and nothing he did was about cowtowing to Ed and Ray. Was he smart and used Ray and Ed to the extent that their leadership qualities help him achieve his goals...sure. No doubt though that he will do the same now they are gone just using different guys. Hell I thought John did a masterful job of getting these guys to buy in to his program without even having them realize they totally bought in. Sometimes the easiest way to get something done is to let others believe it was their idea in the first place.
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