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Thread: Bernard Pollard responds
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04-02-2013, 08:19 AM #61
Re: Bernard Pollard responds
I did not get the feeling that Excellector was stating anything as fact. Thought he was doing exactly what anyone one this board does which is speculate based on his own personal observations. None of us know the full story of the mutiny, Cams relationship with Joe, what they plan to do at LT blah blah blah. My guess is that in his post he just assumed that he did not have to start out by saying .... my guess is that ....
Far as Ed as a leader. Sure Ed was a leader. He was a respected veteran, future Hall of Famer and has prob forgotten more than most rookies know coming into the league. Those qualities will be sorely missed I am sure but there are guys here who can help fill some of that void.“A linebacker's job is to knock out running backs, to knock out receivers, to chase the football,”
-Ray Lewis
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Re: Bernard Pollard responds
I am addressing the Excellector's theory on John Harbaugh being a Michael Corleone. Regardless of where Ray Lewis was during any alleged munitiny, the fact remains EVERYONE in the NFL inside, outisde, on the street knows that was the face, the leader of that team for 17 years. They are putting a statue of him out side the stadium for crying out loud. His voice or lack thereof in any team related issues speaks louder than any voice heard or not heard because of who he is. Quite possibly one of the greatest football players to ever play. NFL players go to him for advice. Commissioner Goodell calls him for opinions. I don't think it is a stretch to make any assumption of Ray's handling of team and John Harbaugh being anything less than what it was, perfect. And the less heard the more likely it was Ray's way, the right way.
ESPN? Sorry, your dedicated sports network is about making headlines and getting people to talk, it's Skip Bayless in it's reporting. The level of respect they get dwarfs everyday with NFLN, CBSSports, media are biting chunks off of them due to their lowered credibility. They don't give a shit about anything other than New England, Dallas, Tim Tebow, or Peyton Manning. Please.
As for statements, it is reasonable to make observations based upon things like Pollard running his mouth after the fact. I don't think we need a bug in the locker room to come to the assumption Harbaugh and the powers want a more unified team. Harbaugh fired a family friend for crying out loud in Cam Cameron. Speaks volumes to me, but you go back to ESPN and enjoy the programming.
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Re: Bernard Pollard responds
I'm not talking about what he did under Billick. I am talking about what he did under Harbaugh. When the defense struggled, did you see him bucking at coaches? No, observe the way he talked to them. When Graham and Brown couldn't stop arguing in New England, who rallied the group and got them on the same page? Ray Lewis.
"Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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04-02-2013, 09:20 AM #64Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: Bernard Pollard responds
There is something that we need to be clear about here. We are talking about the Baltimore Ravens organization. We are never, at the time of the action, going to get clear cut evidence of a sole reason as to why something is done. It's one person's speculation against another.
You may point to Joe going over to congratulate Reed after a pick six. I may point to Joe sending Reed a text message, after Reed called him to clear the air about his statements. As Michael Irvin put it, if you are really on good terms with someone like you say, you don't text them after they call you and leave a message.
You can point to Flacco and Reed celebrating together after a game. I can point to Reed trying to pump up Flacco, only for Flacco to darn near ignore him, yet celebrate like crazy on his way to the sidelines with other players.
Reed's leadership was in getting players lined up who would be lost without him. In the locker room, Reed did not lead the way that Lewis did. From the moment John Harbaugh arrived. John wanted to get rid of Ray's dance and went to Ray about it. Ray actually said that he would be okay with getting rid of it, but that perhaps John should talk to the players first. John kept it and ended up sending Ray back on the field against Indianapolis to do the dance one last time.
You didn't hear comments like Reed made in an interview where he tries to explain his comments about wanting Rex as the coach. Something along the lines of, "I wouldn't expect John Harbaugh to be naive enough to take those comments personally, etc." Really?
John had great things to say about Chris McAlister on his way out. Newsflash, ANYBODY who had ANY idea about how McAlister was around town had something negative to say about him."Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore
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04-02-2013, 09:41 AM #66
Re: Bernard Pollard responds
The Excellector could very well be right in his overall theory about Harbaugh but a lot of what he was using to round it out with had holes in them and when you use misinformation to make your point it doesn't hold as much ground. No one is denying the leader Ray Lewis was but at the end of the day he doesn't know exactly how he went about his business.
Nice but the article was written by former Baltimore Sun writer Kevin Van Valkenburg who would have good access to Ravens info and was probably their best writer before he went to ESPN. And I only bring this up because you mentioned the fact the things that are spread by the media are more accurate than we think. So that article should hold some ground according to you.
Look I'm not arguing either way about if certain players were or weren't a problem with Harbaugh. My point is when fans make assumptions based on 1 minute behind the bench clips or tie in how THEY think about a player with a scenario they thinks matches or base it on select info from media leaks it's makes their opinion look very short sighted.
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04-02-2013, 09:57 AM #67
Re: Bernard Pollard responds
That exactly what I pointed out- that you can show 'evidence' to back your theory and then I can show you 'evidence' of my own at the end of the day all we would be doing is going in circles because we don't know. You can use your speculation. It's within your right. I personally find using the type of logic you do with this particular subject to be ridiculous and short sighted.
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Re: Bernard Pollard responds
Every theory has holes, you disagree with his opinion, I get it. I agree with it. Move on.
Actually, what I was saying is stuff the media puts out there is 50/50. Often what you see on the sidelines or in "Tweets" or former player coming out and talking shit is far closer to the truth than KVV can come up with to keep a paycheck from ESPN.
And like I said, I am making the assumption based around Pollard's comments and the Excellector's spot on assessment that John Harbaugh wants the team his way. That part is obvious. The point of contention is who was the malcontents and who weren't. Based off the bitching of a Tennessee Titan, I am going with the theory the Excellector put forth.
And for the record, this is far from short sighted opinion if you take into account everything John Harbaugh has done in his tenure here. It makes perfect sense.
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04-02-2013, 11:13 AM #69
Re: Bernard Pollard responds
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Re: Bernard Pollard responds
Pollard barking orders and throwing football's at new teammates
http://blogs.tennessean.com/titans/2...own-on-friday/
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