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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?



    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    John Harbaugh is on record of saying a lot of things, but they might not always match up with what he and Ozzie say behind the scenes. Come on, you are going to draft a guy foolish enough to fall for a fake girlfriend hoax, for years? You are going to put a million dollars in this guy's hands? Even when there are still inadequacies in the story as a whole? To play in the spot vacated by Ray Lewis?
    I would bet my paycheck that Ozzie will not draft Te'o if he had the chance. Te'o is just not an Ozzie pick.

    It won't matter anyways because we are picking Tavon Austin.




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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    I don't think any of the ILBs coming out this year warrant a first round pick, including Te'o. However, if he is still on the board at the end of the second round, then he becomes a value pick at that point.




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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    FYI here is the source.



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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I don't think any of the ILBs coming out this year warrant a first round pick, including Te'o. However, if he is still on the board at the end of the second round, then he becomes a value pick at that point.
    Ive been saying that all along. Where he gets drafted and where his value is are two different things. I think he goes early second, should go mid second and agree hed be a value and the end of two. Reminds me of Torrey Smith, when people had him as our pick at the end of one, yet Ozzie got him end of 2. All this talk and after april well probably see he fell to where his value meets the pick.

    as far as Ozzie taking him off our board. I think its doubtful. We havent taken guys off our board that have more character concerns than Teo, its just that we probably diminish his value. If other teams have him as an early two, we may knock him down to late 2 early 3, but in his case probably not all together.
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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    Pure speculation and pre-draft smoke screens. Why would any team reveal who or who isn't on their board? I'm not questioning whether Teo is round 1 material but just the thought that teams are revealing how other teams are grading prospects is partly pre-draft strategy (i.e smoke screen).




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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    I find it hard to believe that Harbaugh would want to tip his hand for the league to know. I guess that it's hard for him to shield his initial reactions, especially when he's not expected to be videotaped and turned into a meme like he was. Either he's playing everybody and is still interested in Teo, or needs to keep his opinions to himself when he's in public. It takes away trade leverage when teams know who you will and won't pick.




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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    Ravens would be foolish to remove a player from their draft board because he was duped. There are quite a few players that should be removed before Teo if they were removing players because of character. Ogletree was described by a member of one team's front office as an "immature idiot". I would be more worried about a player like that than a player who may be naive.

    Ravens usually do their homework and past transgressions are not automatic for removal. See Jimmy Smith.




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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    My guess is that if the Ravens removed Te'o from their board at 32 it's a simple matter that they feel there are at least 35 other guys who they value more thus making it improbable they would pick him at that spot.

    My guess is that the Ravens are not that team but that the Ravens really do not have him on their board at least at 32. If your gonna take a ILB in the first, you better have some reason to believe that guy is going to be special IMO if your passing talent at playmaking positions or more integral defensive slots.
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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    As a top 32 player; I don't think he is on the board to begin with...
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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    Ravens would be foolish to remove a player from their draft board because he was duped. There are quite a few players that should be removed before Teo if they were removing players because of character. Ogletree was described by a member of one team's front office as an "immature idiot". I would be more worried about a player like that than a player who may be naive.

    Ravens usually do their homework and past transgressions are not automatic for removal. See Jimmy Smith.
    I was just going to bring up Jimmy Smith as a counterexample. A team that would draft Smith but not even consider Te'o because of "distractions" would be a very bad organization, and we know the Ravens aren't that.




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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    Jimmy kept his nose clean for three years and graduated. T'eo couldn't even put all of the pieces together with the inadequacies of the story. Yet, this is going to be your first pick, a guy you aren't even sure you can trust with this story? At least with Jimmy, you had evidence that he stayed out of trouble for three years.
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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Jimmy kept his nose clean for three years and graduated. T'eo couldn't even put all of the pieces together with the inadequacies of the story. Yet, this is going to be your first pick, a guy you aren't even sure you can trust with this story? At least with Jimmy, you had evidence that he stayed out of trouble for three years.
    Jimmy Smith had good game tape AND combine/pro-day measurables seemed to indicate that his game would translate well. To this point Jimmy has kept his nose clean to my knowledge. His injury problems do not seem the Gaither/character type. They seem real and tangible. Still think that if he can put those behind him he has the talent to be a pretty good CB in this league.

    T'eo has the tape but the measurables are not there. His lack of speed has to be concerning. Throw in the character issues and I tend to think that he is not the kind of guy Ozzie is going to take a chance on in the 1st. The upside in the 1st is not enough.

    Have seen others compare his poor combine/pro-day results and issues to Burfict. There is a huge difference between taking a shot on a guy in the 3rd, 4th or lower and taking that same chance in the first even if your pick is #32. The opportunity cost is just much higher.
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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Jimmy kept his nose clean for three years and graduated. T'eo couldn't even put all of the pieces together with the inadequacies of the story. Yet, this is going to be your first pick, a guy you aren't even sure you can trust with this story? At least with Jimmy, you had evidence that he stayed out of trouble for three years.
    Exactly how does being duped by a guy/girl impact, even one iota, your ability to play middle linebacker? Let's go through the sports landscape and see how many superstar atheletes have at some point been duped by a woman. Hell, let's go through the male population and see how many men in general have at some point been duped by a woman. I believe Shaun Rogers (who is supposedly 10 years smarter than Te'o) just got robbed of $440K worth of jewelry. Can we also assume that he can't play football?

    This nonsense should be on Maury Povich, not in an NFL draft room.
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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenous1 View Post
    Jimmy Smith had good game tape AND combine/pro-day measurables seemed to indicate that his game would translate well. To this point Jimmy has kept his nose clean to my knowledge. His injury problems do not seem the Gaither/character type. They seem real and tangible. Still think that if he can put those behind him he has the talent to be a pretty good CB in this league.

    T'eo has the tape but the measurables are not there. His lack of speed has to be concerning. Throw in the character issues and I tend to think that he is not the kind of guy Ozzie is going to take a chance on in the 1st. The upside in the 1st is not enough.

    Have seen others compare his poor combine/pro-day results and issues to Burfict. There is a huge difference between taking a shot on a guy in the 3rd, 4th or lower and taking that same chance in the first even if your pick is #32. The opportunity cost is just much higher.
    Does not have the measurables is a comical statement. He had better numbers than Ogletree in just about everything but the 40. At their pro days Teo ran a 4.71 and Ogletree ran a 4.64 with the wind and a 4.75 against it. He ran a 4.7 at the combine. Teo's 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone were faster. Teo had same 40 as minter and was also faster than him in 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle.

    So what measurables does he not have compared to other ILBs?

    I don't think Ravens should take an ILB at 32 but to say Teo should be taken off the board because of measurables is laughable.




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    Re: Has Manti Te'o been taken off the Ravens' board?

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    Exactly how does being duped by a guy/girl impact, even one iota, your ability to play middle linebacker? Let's go through the sports landscape and see how many superstar atheletes have at some point been duped by a woman. Hell, let's go through the male population and see how many men in general have at some point been duped by a woman. I believe Shaun Rogers (who is supposedly 10 years smarter than Te'o) just got robbed of $440K worth of jewelry. Can we also assume that he can't play football?

    This nonsense should be on Maury Povich, not in an NFL draft room.
    Your right, its not like the kid was snorting coke, doing B&E's or driving drunk.
    If you believe T'eo did not know he is at best a kind of weird and naive kid and worst an absolute idiot. Neither are exactly endearing qualities for a GM. If he were a 3/4/5th round pick nobody really cares. 1st round picks though carry weight so its reasonable to worry bout things you might not in the lower rounds.

    If T'eo killed it at the combine and pro-day he would be a definite top 20 pick and people would forget the weirdness much quicker. Fact is he did not kill it at the combine though did slightly better at the pro-day. It just makes a better story for people to yap about to believe that the main reason T'eo falls out of the 1st is more due to the "scandal" than his measurables.
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