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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker



    Quote Originally Posted by Tolucaraven View Post
    IMO, and Saban's he thought Upshaw had the movement, IQ to play inside in the NFL. As far as Mcphee he 6'3" already has less fat on him than skinny lowfat latte. Start changing body weights you can run into problems coupled with postion changes. I will defer to Pees, Ozzie and Saban's judgement. The myth of Ellerbe as a good cover LB is greatly exaggerated, he graded out as one of the worst. McPhee has such a great power rush with heavy hands he is a natural DE and pass rushing DT in packages, @ Miss St, he was triple teamed on most plays his senior season, cause he was such a beast, hence a low sack total that last year. Plus, Mcphee has a talent for batting balls also.
    you have to realize, especially this time of year, theres a big difference in what tbey say and what they end up doing. Coaches get paid to put players in position to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses (or in sabans case, to get them drafted higher to help recruiting efforts). Even if you take their coach speak and ignore the tape, its still not a strength in which he would utilize. His strength is edge setting and bull rushing. Thats how they use him, because thats how hes most effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    This is a smokescreen.
    Yeh I said in my first post that was my thought... But also they need guys to have some abilities to play other positions even if just when due to injury
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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    you have to realize, especially this time of year, theres a big difference in what tbey say and what they end up doing. Coaches get paid to put players in position to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses (or in sabans case, to get them drafted higher to help recruiting efforts). Even if you take their coach speak and ignore the tape, its still not a strength in which he would utilize. His strength is edge setting and bull rushing. Thats how they use him, because thats how hes most effective.
    Yes I understand coach speak. But Saban and Oz are very good freinds from going back to Cleveland, he isnt going to jive talk Ozzie. Yes, everything gets taken with grain of salt at this time of year. But, signing Canty, Spears and having Jones/Mcphee and then placing all that effort in getting Doom, obviously shows they can think Upshaw can play 1 of the 2 ILB spots. Why sign Doom and put Upshaw on the bench? You want Suggs, Doom and Upshaw on the feild together as much as possible.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by Tolucaraven View Post
    Yes I understand coach speak. But Saban and Oz are very good freinds from going back to Cleveland, he isnt going to jive talk Ozzie. Yes, everything gets taken with grain of salt at this time of year. But, signing Canty, Spears and having Jones/Mcphee and then placing all that effort in getting Doom, obviously shows they can think Upshaw can play 1 of the 2 ILB spots. Why sign Doom and put Upshaw on the bench? You want Suggs, Doom and Upshaw on the feild together as much as possible.
    because depth wins championships? because suggs hasnt shown to be 100% yet? because Doom, may not be an every down LB? because Upshaw is a very good SAM LB but not a very good Pass rusher?

    If hes still the best option after the draft, so be it, but like i said i feel that would be a blunder. I see him playing more 4-3 DE than ILB this year. I think he rotates at OLB and DE and possibly the occasional short yardage play or all out Blitz packages at ILB but were not talking about a full time starter by any stretch. I think thats exactly what pees was alluding to, not a full time move, but packages. Depending on when those packages are used i could still see him being targeted and taken advantage of, not unlike Ray, who at 37 was still far better than Upshaw in coverage, imo, and a 3 down LB which kept offenses honest. "specialist" players kind of take that element away to a degree.
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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    This is a smokescreen.


    The good thing without having Ray on the team anymore though is that Pees will have more flexibility moving guys around.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    While I think 270ish lbs is a bit much for even a ILB to carry I wouldn't be surprised if Courtney could pull it off. I think he's that talented and versatile. And besides that I'd tend to give Pees the benefit of the doubt anyway. But even so I would still rather grab a MLB or maybe even 2 later this month.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post


    The good thing without having Ray on the team anymore though is that Pees will have more flexibility moving guys around.
    This. Ray should not have been on the field for 3rd downs last year with the exception of short yardage. He was a massive liability and because of his stature they could not pull him out of the game.

    I can see the team using Upshaw inside on goal line and some third and short plays. But he will primarily be used in a rotation with with Doom and Suggs to keep those guys fresh.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    because depth wins championships? because suggs hasnt shown to be 100% yet? because Doom, may not be an every down LB? because Upshaw is a very good SAM LB but not a very good Pass rusher?

    If hes still the best option after the draft, so be it, but like i said i feel that would be a blunder. I see him playing more 4-3 DE than ILB this year. I think he rotates at OLB and DE and possibly the occasional short yardage play or all out Blitz packages at ILB but were not talking about a full time starter by any stretch. I think thats exactly what pees was alluding to, not a full time move, but packages. Depending on when those packages are used i could still see him being targeted and taken advantage of, not unlike Ray, who at 37 was still far better than Upshaw in coverage, imo, and a 3 down LB which kept offenses honest. "specialist" players kind of take that element away to a degree.
    This. Anybody who thinks Upshaw will play ILB this year outside of certain exotic looks is totally, totally wrong.

    When the Ravens drafted Sam Koch they talked up how he had played linebacker in high school, how tough he was and how he wasn't afraid to go in and mix it up on punt coverage. Does that mean they were going to play him at linebacker or gunner? Of course not! Saying Upshaw could play ILB is like saying Haloti Ngata could play free safety. Pure coachspeak. They're not playing a 270lbs DE/OLB at ILB. It's just not a fit in any way, shape, or form.

    Thinking that an OLB can just kick inside and play MIKE is not football smart. What's ACTUALLY going to happen is that Upshaw, Suggs, and Doom will rotate at OLB... the same thing the Ravens have been doing for years. Last year it was Suggs, Kruger, and Upshaw. The year before it was Suggs, Kruger, and Johnson. You need to go 3 deep at any position that takes on offensive linemen all game long, and that's just as true at OLB as DE and DT in our scheme.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    This article reminded me of the first or second year that we had Rex Ryan as our DC. I seem to recall a lot of talk about guys being able to shift positions and attack from various angles. I agree that this sounds like the Defense is going to attack a whole lot more this year than they did last year.




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