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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker



    There is some precedence to this move...Both Albert McClellan and Jameel McClain started out as OLB type players before getting moved inside.

    I'd like to see him prove cover skills before he becomes a key contributor at ILB. But I could see some deceptive packages where he lines up at ILB with Doom and Sizzle outside, and then any 2 of the 3 rush the passer. Makes it a lot harder to gameplan against our pass rush.
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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    I wouldn't put too much into this at this early point.
    Pees likes to have his players know all their respective positions (linemen know all the other linemen positions, LBs know all the other LB positions, etc) so that he doesn't have great players on the bench while a lesser talented player is in because they don't know all the positions.
    It is a smart concept, and one that probably Rex Ryan might have employed here as well...so your players can move around pre-snap to mask what your real intentions are...and to just keep your opponent guessing and increases chances of missed blocking assignments upfront.

    And here is another thing. If our outside pass rush consistently gets there and forces the ball out early...it will help whoever is playing ILB for they will have to cover for less distance and time.
    It appears to me our bend but don't break defense may morph into an attacking defense while our offense puts up points to force opponents out of their game plan.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    He'd get absolutely eaten alive in pass coverage.

    Maybe this would work in short yardage, but a full time ILB?...I don't see it at all.

    Even bringing in another fast ILB doesn't solve it...he can't only blitz and he is going to have to cover people...you can only hide guys so much in today's pass happy NFL.
    I dont know, he covered receivers pretty well as an OLB, he cant be worse than Lewis was last year or Ellerbe. Ellerbe graded out as one of the worst MLB's last season vs the pass. He also has height which Ellerbe and Lewis lacked. 4 inches or so taller than Ellerbe and better football instincts, coaches rave about how much of a fast learner he is. Actually, Upshaw made the best defensive play in the SB causing a fumble by forcing the RB wide and chasing him down and causing a fumble. He is pretty versatile. Got to have Upshaw, Doom and Suggs on the feild on all times. Plus, with Canty, Ngata and McPhee that will provide alot of tall arms to bat balls down at the line.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by Benny8444 View Post
    I see him eventually replacing suggs and playing some ILB this year if he can get down to 260, he will be just like Elerbie if not better. Upshaw can be exactly what Woodley is once suggs leaves if he can get down to 260. he has the streghnth and some speed and just needs to work on his pass rush moves but that can be taught. he obiv can do it since he did it at bama and we saw glimpces of it.

    I dont see us taking a ILB early, I see us taking BPA like we always do and most likely if there are a number of players who we have 1st round grades on still there at 32 trading back to the 5-6 spot in the 2nd round.

    Remember there are still alot of cheap FAs out there....
    i doubt he can get down to 260, he isnt fat at all, actually kind of lean based on his build. He is taller than Woodley. He is at his bodyweight, dont want to see him change weight and position, too much too soon anyway, that screwed Kruger for a year or two. He is too tall and his frame to big to get down that low.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Get him to drop some weight and pair him up with someone who is ultra athletic like an Alec Ogletree or an Arthur Brown. Then you have the best of both worlds.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Get him to drop some weight and pair him up with someone who is ultra athletic like an Alec Ogletree or an Arthur Brown. Then you have the best of both worlds.
    The guy is a peanut over 6" 2, at 270, you cant lower that weight based on his build and height, for every inch is about 10lbs of weight. He cant drop weight without losing strenght and durability, he is tall.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by Tolucaraven View Post
    The guy is a peanut over 6" 2, at 270, you cant lower that weight based on his build and height, for every inch is about 10lbs of weight. He cant drop weight without losing strenght and durability, he is tall.
    I totally understand what you're saying here, and people often forget that height compensates for weight. Use Ray Rice as an example here, he's like 5'8, and so people assume he's really small and not strong at all, when he actually has a really thick build and weighs 212 lbs which is heavy for that height, if he was 6'2, he'd probably weigh closer to 230 lbs with the way that he's built.

    With that said, he still looks a little heavy and bulky to play ILB, and you probably want him down to around 255 lbs (he played at around 265 last year).




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    There is far too much purple coolaid in this thread. Upshaw is a 4-3 end were trying to make a sam LB, which even that will push his physical limits. No more square pegs in round holes. His future is at sam, ozzie will fill in the rest.
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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I totally understand what you're saying here, and people often forget that height compensates for weight. Use Ray Rice as an example here, he's like 5'8, and so people assume he's really small and not strong at all, when he actually has a really thick build and weighs 212 lbs which is heavy for that height, if he was 6'2, he'd probably weigh closer to 230 lbs with the way that he's built.

    With that said, he still looks a little heavy and bulky to play ILB, and you probably want him down to around 255 lbs (he played at around 265 last year).
    Yes, but he is wide shouldered. He is alot taller than most LBer period. Actually based on bodyweight to height Ellerbe, Scott, and Lewis in the past where heavier. He cant lose anymore weight. He is a TALL dude, I stood next to him this year, he has no good weight to lose, he is pretty thick and all muscle and actually on the lean side. I don't see it, you mess with a guys weight too much you cause negative returns. Upshaw probably hasnt been in the 260's since he was a freshman or in HS.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    At one point Ray Lewis at 6'1 weighed around 260 and before last season cut his weight down to under 240 so it can be done.For all we know at this point ILB could turn out to be Upshaws best position or it may not but it's still early in his career so it's not as if you're thinking about moving a player who has already established himself at a certain position in the league.Upshaw is still a work in progress and needs as much PT as possible.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    There is far too much purple coolaid in this thread. Upshaw is a 4-3 end were trying to make a sam LB, which even that will push his physical limits. No more square pegs in round holes. His future is at sam, ozzie will fill in the rest.

    Are you a GM? or Talent scout? I'm not, but I think the front office and LBers coach knows a bit better than we do. Saban, even said a 2 years ago, Upshaw would make a good ILB or OLB, that he was very athletic, smart and flexible. Remember Saban and Ozzie are good freinds and where together in Cleveland.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by TDL1000 View Post
    At one point Ray Lewis at 6'1 weighed around 260 and before last season cut his weight down to under 240 so it can be done.For all we know at this point ILB could turn out to be Upshaws best position or it may not but it's still early in his career so it's not as if you're thinking about moving a player who has already established himself at a certain position in the league.Upshaw is still a work in progress and needs as much PT as possible.
    Yes, Ray did get close to 260, but didnt last long, Ray has small legs and calves. Always has. Upshaw has a stonger lower body in his calves and thighs, that is not fat just power. Ray was listed at 6'1" but Upshaw is listed a little over 6'2" and 1 inch equals usually about 10 lbs of body weight.

    The Line probably looks like this Mcphee/Jones Ngata Canty/Spears upfront with Cody, Tyson and Hall as backups baring draft moves.
    OLB Dumerville, McClain, Upshaw and Suggs at this point. Then McCllellan, Bynes and draft or FA moves. Thats a pretty good front 7 right thier.

    CB's Webb, Graham, Smith, Brown, Jackson and draft picks//FA's

    S Huff, Idehigbo, Thompson and Brown before draft and FA's. The Ravens D looks faster, bigger and younger than in years past.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    This is a smokescreen.
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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by Tolucaraven View Post
    Are you a GM? or Talent scout? I'm not, but I think the front office and LBers coach knows a bit better than we do. Saban, even said a 2 years ago, Upshaw would make a good ILB or OLB, that he was very athletic, smart and flexible. Remember Saban and Ozzie are good freinds and where together in Cleveland.
    No i am not, but i can see when a guy cant guard his shadow being asked to fall back in zone or run with rbs the majority of the time is asking too much. Pernell mcphee is a great athlete at 270-280, why doesnt he just cut to 250-260 and be our ILB? Why doesnt christian thompson put on 20lbs and play there? Because guys have certain body types and skillsets that dont translate to every position just because we have a need. Asking a guy that cant cover to cover that much more is just counter productive. Get somebody thats actually able to play that skillset which is most definitely what ozzie will do.
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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    No i am not, but i can see when a guy cant guard his shadow being asked to fall back in zone or run with rbs the majority of the time is asking too much. Pernell mcphee is a great athlete at 270-280, why doesnt he just cut to 250-260 and be our ILB? Why doesnt christian thompson put on 20lbs and play there? Because guys have certain body types and skillsets that dont translate to every position just because we have a need. Asking a guy that cant cover to cover that much more is just counter productive. Get somebody thats actually able to play that skillset which is most definitely what ozzie will do.
    IMO, and Saban's he thought Upshaw had the movement, IQ to play inside in the NFL. As far as Mcphee he 6'3" already has less fat on him than skinny lowfat latte. Start changing body weights you can run into problems coupled with postion changes. I will defer to Pees, Ozzie and Saban's judgement. The myth of Ellerbe as a good cover LB is greatly exaggerated, he graded out as one of the worst. McPhee has such a great power rush with heavy hands he is a natural DE and pass rushing DT in packages, @ Miss St, he was triple teamed on most plays his senior season, cause he was such a beast, hence a low sack total that last year. Plus, Mcphee has a talent for batting balls also.




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