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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker



    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    So hes not good enough to drop into coverage on the outside, but he is on the inside? Obvious running downs or as a passrusher only sure, but theyd probably audible out and take advantage (not unlike they did with ray, who was a helluva lot better at it than upshaw ever will be). Id prefer a better option.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    At the combine last year Upshaw was 6-2 272 and ran a 4.74 40.If they can get his weight down into the 260 area I see no reason why that wouldn't improve his speed which should translate into his ability to cover.When you consider the ILB's that they are looking in round one are mostly running their 40's in the 4.65 range there really isn't all that much difference.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    He isn't even 270 + anymore, he was playng at around 265 this year. If he drops another 10 lbs this offseason, I could see it happening. He is obviously really good against the run, would be a good interior blitzer, and could possibly improve his coverage skills.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    I think Pees is just thinking about all of his potential options right now. Upshaw is a good player and he needs to find a way to get him on the field. Given the void at ILB that might be a good option.
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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    People, straight line speed isnt the key to covering. Hip flexibility, quick reactions, and burst are. All things that upshawhasnt shown ability to be physically capable of. He loses weight he may gain a little, but not nearly the amount he would need. hes a mauler and bull rusher that can set the edge. No need to put a square peg in a round hole. Let ozzie find a guy thats far better suited.
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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    People, straight line speed isnt the key to covering. Hip flexibility, quick reactions, and burst are. All things that upshawhasnt shown ability to be physically capable of. He loses weight he may gain a little, but not nearly the amount he would need. hes a mauler and bull rusher that can set the edge. No need to put a square peg in a round hole. Let ozzie find a guy thats far better suited.
    Unlike the failed Oher at LT experiment Upshaw really hasn't been given the opportunity to show if he is or is not capable of playing ILB.Do we really know how good he is/isn't in coverage at this point?




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    As a pure run defender he could succeed. Think of Bart Scott's old job of taking on FBs and guards so Ray could scrape and make hits in the hole uncontested. Coverage would obviously be a weakness, but presumably this move would be predicated on bringing in a speedy (and potentially less physical) linebacker in the draft or free agency to compliment him. Think Jerod Mayo, big, strong, and a stiff, but unmovable between the A and B gaps.

    Pees is trying to get his best 4 backers on the field at once. I don't blame him for at least experimenting with this configuration.
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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    He'd get absolutely eaten alive in pass coverage.

    Maybe this would work in short yardage, but a full time ILB?...I don't see it at all.

    Even bringing in another fast ILB doesn't solve it...he can't only blitz and he is going to have to cover people...you can only hide guys so much in today's pass happy NFL.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Nothing wrong with seeing what he can do, worse case in the event of the injury bug. But I do expect them to draft inside guys
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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    In certain packages, I could see it. However, I hope they get him to shed some weight this off-season. 270+lbs is too big for an ILB.
    There's no doubt that Upshaw was too heavy, particularly at the start of the season. I think that's more of a product of not having any kind of structure surrounding nutrition and eating habits.

    Not sure if anyone saw it or not, but there was a program on NFL Network called "Hey Rookie, Welcome to the NFL" or something like that, and it followed 6-8 rookies in the pre-draft process, including Upshaw, and leading up to the Alabama Pro Day, Upshaw was talking about really wanting to come in lighter than he'd been at the Combine (272 lbs), that he wanted to be closer to 265, then upon weigh-in, he was actually seven pounds HEAVIER...coming in at 279 lbs.

    When you're working out like mad with trainers, in one of the most high-profile football programs in the country, and are aiming for a goal weight 7 pounds under, but come in 7 pounds over, that's nutrition.

    A year in the Ravens program, surrounded by guys like Suggs (who know first-hand the problems that can result from a less-than-ideal diet), I expect him to be in the 260-265 range when Training Camp ends this season.

    I am happy that they'll at least consider cross-training Upshaw to the ILB spot...but I think it is all but certain that we'll have a drafted player at that position from the first three rounds (my widely stated preference being Arthur Brown Jr. from Kansas State).




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    I thought he played ILB at Alabama a few times?




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by TDL1000 View Post
    At the combine last year Upshaw was 6-2 272 and ran a 4.74 40.If they can get his weight down into the 260 area I see no reason why that wouldn't improve his speed which should translate into his ability to cover.When you consider the ILB's that they are looking in round one are mostly running their 40's in the 4.65 range there really isn't all that much difference.
    That's funny because Upshaw didn't run at the combine.

    He ran at Alabama's pro-day and clocked a 4.73 and a 4.76. While that's not too bad, his 10-yard split was really disappointing. IIRC it was around a 1.82 or something like that.

    His lateral agility is also not that great. He's an excellent north/south guy, but he doesn't change direction well. I think he would have a tough time honestly as an inside linebacker.
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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    I see him eventually replacing suggs and playing some ILB this year if he can get down to 260, he will be just like Elerbie if not better. Upshaw can be exactly what Woodley is once suggs leaves if he can get down to 260. he has the streghnth and some speed and just needs to work on his pass rush moves but that can be taught. he obiv can do it since he did it at bama and we saw glimpces of it.

    I dont see us taking a ILB early, I see us taking BPA like we always do and most likely if there are a number of players who we have 1st round grades on still there at 32 trading back to the 5-6 spot in the 2nd round.

    Remember there are still alot of cheap FAs out there....




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    Quote Originally Posted by Benny8444 View Post
    I see him eventually replacing suggs and playing some ILB this year if he can get down to 260, he will be just like Elerbie if not better. Upshaw can be exactly what Woodley is once suggs leaves if he can get down to 260. he has the streghnth and some speed and just needs to work on his pass rush moves but that can be taught. he obiv can do it since he did it at bama and we saw glimpces of it.
    Maybe, I dunno. The draft reports I read on him were that he had premium edge-setting skills, but lacked the pure athleticism necessary to be considered an elite pass-rusher, and got the better of the starting RTs at the college level mostly thru a relentless drive.

    I think he was brought here more to replace JJ.




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    Re: Pees: Upshaw could play inside linebacker

    I have said this since we took him in the draft. He is a thumper who is pretty mobile.

    I hate all things Steelers but he could be a Lavon Kirkland type inside LB.




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