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    T- A hundred years ago that's all people did ala Abraham Lincoln. Our generation was bad enough but today's people would rather play on their computers and watch DVDs and what not. Most people don't even know who he is even when watching HBO.

    And how about James A. Mitchner's CHESAPEAKE. That was a mini-series from his great book. He spent years living in St Michaels researching it before he wrote the book. Even the GODFATHER was much better as a book than the movie. In the book they put the horse's head on a bed post with its blood seeping out. In the movie they just lay the head on the bed with the blood seeping out. Also, the book shows what the Godfather did to some plumbers that ripped him off-lol. That wasn't even in the movie.

    SERPICO was another great movie with Pachino taken from an even greater book.


    Delaware - I posted a link in this forum years ago but can't find it now. I'll keep looking.
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    "Americans" would have been an odd name choice for a new team in a league where all of the teams are located in America and a game where the overwhelming majority of players are from the United States.

    But it almost would have been worth it for some kind of awesome pre-game introduction routine to the Hulk Hogan "I am a real American" song.




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    I'm siding with HoustonRaven on this one. Boston Tea Party, Boston Massacre, Lexington & Concord, The Shot Heard 'Round the World (the original), Paul Revere, etc. . . .

    There is a reason there is a holiday in Massachusetts (and Maine, which was once part of Massachusetts) called Patriots' Day.




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    Thank God the fans had the wisdom to pick Ravens.




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    @ MistaT, of course I'm kidding. I may have smoked a lot of pot in High School, but we learn those facts pretty early in our schooling. Especially when you grow up between Philadelphia and Washington DC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    I'm siding with HoustonRaven on this one. Boston Tea Party, Boston Massacre, Lexington & Concord, The Shot Heard 'Round the World (the original), Paul Revere, etc. . . .

    There is a reason there is a holiday in Massachusetts (and Maine, which was once part of Massachusetts) called Patriots' Day.
    Stuff you don't get on HBO.

    Paul Revere wasn't the only rider. Nobody even knows about Israel Bissel who rode much further than Revere who only rode 19 miles to warn everyone.

    Bissel rode 345 miles, and killing his horse in the process from riding it to death which is a long AMTRAK ride today, from Boston to Philly warning Americans that the war had begun, something unknown by most Americans but the media namely Henry Wadworth Longfellow who gave all the credit to Revere and after his death. After the ride Revere was later charged with treason, insubordination and cowardice and was placed under house arrest during court martial proceedings something else HBO missed.



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    So Americans would have been appropriate name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    I'm siding with HoustonRaven on this one. Boston Tea Party, Boston Massacre, Lexington & Concord, The Shot Heard 'Round the World (the original), Paul Revere, etc. . . .

    There is a reason there is a holiday in Massachusetts (and Maine, which was once part of Massachusetts) called Patriots' Day.
    In Baltimore we have "Defender's Day" commemorating those that fought in the Battle of Baltimore Sep 12-14 1812.

    So how bout Baltimore Defenders
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    Ravens was obviously the right choice.

    I think Stars would have been ok it would have been a tip of the hat to the Star Spangled Banner and Fort McHenry...guessing the NFL was worried about the Cowboys objecting?

    Baltimore Knights....could have done something kinda cool with that. Jousting is the state sport lol beats the other choices that NFL gave us IMO
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    I wish they would have done what we did to Cleveland and had left the name behind with us.

    At least our name isn't the "Baltimore Marylanders."




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    Quote Originally Posted by Real Fan Dan View Post

    In Baltimore we have "Defender's Day" commemorating those that fought in the Battle of Baltimore Sep 12-14 1812.

    So how bout Baltimore Defenders
    And don't forget our own Federal Hill which should be close to HRs heart. Originally called John Smith's Hill for the first non-native American to see it, the name was later changed when people walked up to it from Fells Point and other hoods to celebrate Maryland's ratification of the US Constitution.

    It was quite a party too that lasted a while with 1,000 pounds of beef, 500 pounds of ham, 15 1/2 barrels of beer plus 240 gallons hard cider which was a lot in those days, and 9 1/2 gallons of peach brandy and much more. Someone called it Federal Hill and the name stuck. During the Civil War union troops manned the hill with big guns pointed at the city in case the civilians acted up again like the did with they attacked Union troops marching from Union Station to Camden Yards to get on the train to DC. 12 rioters were shot on Pratt street.

    The guns are still on the hill pointing at the city and could shoot as far as 25th Street or further.


    The only patriotism wasn't in NE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    I've never heard the term Patriots associated with the American Revolutionaries south of New England. Nor have I heard it associated with the War of 1812.
    The Mel Gibson movie "Patriot" is based on American patriots fighting in South Carolina.

    Also, there was an invasion of Florida by Americans in Georgia called the "Patriot War" in 1812-1814. They wanted to take Florida away from Spain at the same time we were at war with Great Britain. It didn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Real Fan Dan View Post
    The Mel Gibson movie "Patriot" is based on American patriots fighting in South Carolina.

    Also, there was an invasion of Florida by Americans in Georgia called the "Patriot War" in 1812-1814. They wanted to take Florida away from Spain at the same time we were at war with Great Britain. It didn't work.
    Gibson was misapplying the term.

    The word is a french derivative and was adopted by soldiers in the NE. Patriots were, in essence, Massachusetts soldiers. The term would eventually morph into what we know today, but it's history.

    During Revolutionary times, no soldier but a MA soldier would have been called a "Patriot".
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    And don't forget our own Federal Hill which should be close to HRs heart. Originally called John Smith's Hill for the first non-native American to see it, the name was later changed when people walked up to it from Fells Point and other hoods to celebrate Maryland's ratification of the US Constitution.

    It was quite a party too that lasted a while with 1,000 pounds of beef, 500 pounds of ham, 15 1/2 barrels of beer plus 240 gallons hard cider which was a lot in those days, and 9 1/2 gallons of peach brandy and much more. Someone called it Federal Hill and the name stuck. During the Civil War union troops manned the hill with big guns pointed at the city in case the civilians acted up again like the did with they attacked Union troops marching from Union Station to Camden Yards to get on the train to DC. 12 rioters were shot on Pratt street.

    The guns are still on the hill pointing at the city and could shoot as far as 25th Street or further.


    The only patriotism wasn't in NE.

    http://www.federalhillonline.com/history.htm
    I thought those cannons they had on Federal Hill were to fire on any ships that got past Ft. McHenry. You learn something new everyday.


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    Yea, my dad always said it was named Federal Hill because of that. He was born two blocks to the south of it.

    The first blood shed of the Civil War was on Pratt St in Baltimore, not Ft Sumter. In fact, nobody died when the fort was taken til the next day when a soldier died when some captured ordnance in the fort accidently exploded.

    More people died in Baltimore.

    General Butler the Butcher was Lincoln's Commander then but didn't get the name Butcher til New Orleans where he massacred some people for the same thing in Baltimore. He carried out his threat there and all that was after he surrounded the State HOuse in Annapolis to stop them from voting to leave the union. He even arrested some of the legislatures trying to vote.

    Today there's a big plaque in it's lobby that says they were just trying to get info on leaving. They wern't trying to vote to leave.

    Total Bull Shit!!




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    As I understand it, the Federal Hill cannons were indeed present and used during the War of 1812 vs the British coming into the Harbor.

    The cannons were turned towards the city itself after the battle of the Massachusetts troops marching from President Street Station (just south of President and Pratt, right near the Pier 5 hotel and Della Notte present day) down Pratt Street to Camden Station. In those days, the PRR stopped at President and the troops were moving from the PRR to the B&O to get to Washington.

    They obviously weren't welcomed by the local populace as Maryland was a Southern state (though there were strong sentiments both ways). It just hadn't seceded yet (the book "Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass" gives a good look at pre-Civil War Baltimore)

    Those attacking the soldiers included civilians and, if I remember correctly, members of the Baltimore Police Department, lead by the chief himself.

    Lincoln decided he couldn't have any more of that, nor any part of Maryland seceding and therefore surrounding Washington. So the cannons were turned and they surrounded Annapolis.

    What's interesting is there were both Union and Confederate armies raised from Maryland. Marylanders loyal to the Union marched under the coat of Calvert. Marylanders local to the Confederacy marched under the Crossland banner.

    After the war, the state flag was changed to a combination of both and remains the same to this day. During the Preakness, give a close listen to "Maryland, My Maryland" when it's sung by the Naval Academy glee club.

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    I liked Ravens for the name during the phone poll after the Modell move. For the expansion name, I thought a name related to the railroad would have been good, given that modern railroading was more or less started in Baltimore at Mt Clare Junction.

    Given the other choices, I'm just glad we got a name that has something to do with Baltimore. Unlike other cities, we don't have to play rhetorical games to pretend like the name really fits into something else famous about our city **cough** **cough** Colts and Jazz **cough** **cough**.
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