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    Quote Originally Posted by PGCountyRaven85 View Post
    The Baltimore Barksdales!
    But then royalties would have to be paid to Avon. Marlo would get jealous. Slim Charles would boycott since it's a west side name.

    Just a giant mess.
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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    Hmm, I think it would be Baltimore Clipper you might be referring to -- the fast schooners that could outrace the British blockades. They did turn that into a good hockey team name.

    I'm pretty sure Marauders is a reference to the B-26 Marauder that was built at the Glen L Martin company plant in Middle River. That was the bomber that was famous for the glass bubble for the nose gunner. They were also famous for crashing at a horrific rate on take off before a senate committee hauled in the company and made them lengthen the wingspan. The Bombers name is basically a reference to the same plane.
    Your're right about the clippers and the bomber name but that was after ships of the 1800s being built in the Baltimore Ship Yards. The famous Constellation docked in the harbor is one such ship and still afloat. The military knew England would attack us again and built those ships plus the Contitution up in Boston to combat them.

    They were like a 1-2 jab a boxer uses in the ring to stun his opponent to keep him off balance as the British ships were bigger and had more armor but we used speed. The Contitution and Constellation had great success vs them and helped preserve our country.

    Baltimore was in the middle of things back then and in WW2 with the bomber.

    Here's a pic of the B-26 Marauder bomber with it's D-D Invasion stripes - a pretty good plane
    built a Glenn L. Martin.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_B-26_Marauder
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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Baltimore was in the middle of things back then and in WW2 with the bomber.
    You mean there was a time we actually built stuff in this country?




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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    (Technically the Cleveland Rams were never in the NFL. They were in the AFL and when they joined the NFL the league moved them to St. Louis to replace a team named the St. Louis Gunners. And you thought Baltimore Bullets was bad).
    I don't think this is entirely correct.

    The Cleveland Rams replaced the St. Louis Gunners as a team in the NFL, but they didn't move to St. Louis. They did, however, move to Los Angeles sometime in the late 40s and became the Los Angeles Rams. Bob Irsay bought the LA Rams in 1972, then traded his franchise to Carroll Rosenbloom for the Baltimore Colts franchise. Eventually the Rams moved (in 1995) to St. Louis to fill the void left by Bidwell moving the Cardinals to Arizona.

    And how come none of those other franchise owners get the crap heaped on them that Modell did for moving the Browns to Baltimore? It's not as if it was unheard of to move an NFL franchise.




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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    I don't think this is entirely correct.

    The Cleveland Rams replaced the St. Louis Gunners as a team in the NFL, but they didn't move to St. Louis. They did, however, move to Los Angeles sometime in the late 40s and became the Los Angeles Rams. Bob Irsay bought the LA Rams in 1972, then traded his franchise to Carroll Rosenbloom for the Baltimore Colts franchise. Eventually the Rams moved (in 1995) to St. Louis to fill the void left by Bidwell moving the Cardinals to Arizona.

    And how come none of those other franchise owners get the crap heaped on them that Modell did for moving the Browns to Baltimore? It's not as if it was unheard of to move an NFL franchise.
    I think you're right. I thought it went Cleveland - St. Louis -- LA -- St. Louis. But you're right, they didn't play in St. Louis. They essentially combined the Rams and Gunners and moved them to LA as the Rams.

    You also reminded me that the connections between St. Louis (Rams, Browns, Cardinals), LA (Rams, Colts), Cleveland (Rams, Browns) and Baltimore (Colts, Browns, Browns, Cardinals) in the way teams moved is a little freaky.




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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    Great point about the other others.

    Here's the history of the Constellation built here. It was also used by Stephen DeCatur vs and captured ships going after the pirates in our war vs Tripolli, Libya and their Barbary pirates. It captured an Algerian ship.

    Early ships of these types were also called Marauders. It was so successful that a second ship was built in Norfolk, Virginia.


    http://www.historicships.org/constellation.html

    The early Marauder battleships.


    http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=2_44&page=7
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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    And how come none of those other franchise owners get the crap heaped on them that Modell did for moving the Browns to Baltimore? It's not as if it was unheard of to move an NFL franchise.
    Always wondered that myself. Al Davis (twice), Bud Adams, Georgia Frontiere and Irsay all get a free pass. Yet what Modell did was unforgivable.




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    Quote Originally Posted by mmi16 View Post
    Why leave out the Baltimore Fire - in honor of the 1904 Great Baltimore Fire.
    mmi16 is correct. The Baltimore Fire was a Fan Vote as well at one time. They even talked about using Baltimore Blaze some however once the Sun pushed Ravens it was all over. Back then everyone would read the Sun still.


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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    Ravens has worked out pretty well for us.

    I would have been fine with Bombers though... I mean, New York has the Jets, it's not like it's a big stretch there. Not a fan of being called the Crabs. Rhinos would have been okay but the colors would likely have been awful. Blues would have been awful too.




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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    You mean there was a time we actually built stuff in this country?
    LOL - Yea, we used to.

    This will make you sick - especially the last paragraph.


    http://www.baltimoremagazine.net/fea...a-company-town




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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Your're right about the clippers and the bomber name but that was after ships of the 1800s being built in the Baltimore Ship Yards. The famous Constellation docked in the harbor is one such ship and still afloat. The military knew England would attack us again and built those ships plus the Contitution up in Boston to combat them.
    AirFlacco: CLOSE, but not quite! The Constellation and Constitution are actually Frigates, not Clippers. The famous Baltimore Clippers to which you refer look more like the Pride of Baltimore, which was built as a modern day tribute to that style. Looking at the two ships, you can clearly see a difference in design. Clippers were known for their speed, because while they carried nearly the same sail area as the larger Frigates and Square Rigged ships of the day, their hulls were smaller and lighter, enabling them to sail faster.

    So basically I am saying that you are correct that Baltimore is known for building Clippers, the Constallation is NOT an example of one. The Pride of Baltimore is, though.

    Pride:


    Constellation:


    Clearly a different design. Just want to be historically accurate here since we are using history to talk about the various names.




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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    I meant that the Constellation was marauder with speed like the clippers that was used to fight the British, French and Algerian ships. It beat them all with the clipper's speed and the battle ship's fire power. I posted it's history so I was clear on that. I didn't mean it was a complete clipper but a ship that used its speed plus it had the fire power to sink or capture it's rivals.

    Baltimore was famous for that and the British tried to destroy it's ship yards.
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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    Wanna know why Marauders was one of the choices? WW II veterans would know.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Art View Post
    Wanna know why Marauders was one of the choices? WW II veterans would know.
    We already know:

    http://russellstreetreport.com/forum...874#post611874
    I've upped my standards. Up yours.




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    Re: Alternative Names for the Ravens

    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    Hmm, I think it would be Baltimore Clipper you might be referring to -- the fast schooners that could outrace the British blockades. They did turn that into a good hockey team name.

    I'm pretty sure Marauders is a reference to the B-26 Marauder that was built at the Glen L Martin company plant in Middle River. That was the bomber that was famous for the glass bubble for the nose gunner. They were also famous for crashing at a horrific rate on take off before a senate committee hauled in the company and made them lengthen the wingspan. The Bombers name is basically a reference to the same plane.
    Bingo!




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