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    And don't forget this frightening thought. While China is updating their nuke force, our great leader is reducing ours.

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    The Obama administration is committed to the elimination of nuclear weapons and has reportedly been conducting internal studies envisioning massive cuts in the U.S. nuclear arsenal. A number of policy makers with whom I've spoken in recent weeks tell me that if Obama is re-elected, he will seek to slash unilaterally the size of the U.S. nuclear stockpile. Such a move could grant China nuclear parity with the United States, or at least put it in reach. Such a move would give China greater nuclear leverage not through an expensive buildup on their side, but through disarmament on ours.
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    http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/post...uclear_balance

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    If China is going to attack anyone, it will be NK.

    Attacking us would be financial suicide for China. We are so intertwined with them (and them with us) it would send them right into ruin.

    NK may end up doing something stupid like launch their one missile or attack SK. If they do, they will be a glass parking lot by weeks end.
    It's true.

    The clincher here is that China already has a bow out from their military backing of NK. If someone attacks NK, China will essentially be obligated to help. However, if NK does something...even provocative...China could interpret that as NK starting a war.

    Japan, South Korea, and the US are all not happy with NK.

    China may go against just one of those...but not all three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    UM, it's the other way around. We'd be in financial ruin.

    China owns us. They own trillions of our debt as Clinton was always going over there begging them to buy our notes. Their economy is expected to pass ours some day, maybe sooner. The only thing saving us is the dollar is still the dominant currency in the world. Everyone wants the US dollar not the yen - not yet.

    How in the hell can we fight China when they own us? All they have to do is pull their money out of our economy and they've already decreased buying our debt.

    China is also more different in technology, not just numbers thanks to Slick Willie, another Clinton who gave them a lot of American technology after they helped finance his election. They even have space technology that can shoot our space ships down. Like I mentioned, they have 6,000 nukes pointed at Tawain alone and thousands more pointed at us.

    They had none in 1950. They've also updated their Navy recently adding nuclear air craft carriers. They not as big as ours but fast and quite a menance to Tawain and Japan.

    We have the edge in subs with about 20 Tridents around the world and probably a few in the China Sea. One sub can wipe out the entire Chinese population with 24 nuclear missiles and all containing multiple war heads.

    We also have the most carriers in the world and there's always our SAC bomber force, second to none.

    Yet, China can do a lot of damage if their nukes hit the US.
    Culturally, China is very passive.

    Thus why they're so damn good with cyber espionage. They figured out a decade ago that the easiest way to beat the US was to steal all of our intellectual property. Plain and simple: They'd rather attack us from behind a computer than from behind a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    It's true.

    The clincher here is that China already has a bow out from their military backing of NK. If someone attacks NK, China will essentially be obligated to help. However, if NK does something...even provocative...China could interpret that as NK starting a war.

    Japan, South Korea, and the US are all not happy with NK.

    China may go against just one of those...but not all three.
    Exactly.
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    China went against all three of them in 1950 while saving N. Korea. We still have the nuclear deterrent - for now. If NK hits one of the three the US will hit them and China will come in vs us
    and our allies like before.

    Is China over-taking US in space? Well, not yet but they are very patient. China can thank Slick Willie for this.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/opinio...se-china-space


    http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/252165/
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    China went against all three of them in 1950 while saving N. Korea. We still have the nuclear deterrent - for now. If NK hits one of the three the US will hit them and China will come in vs us
    and our allies like before.

    Is China over-taking US in space? Well, not yet but they are very patient. China can thank Slick Willie for this.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/opinio...se-china-space


    http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/252165/
    If NK provokes anyone or initiates anything, China will wipe their hands clean of Kim Jong Un and see what happens when it is all said and done. They may give them money or food, but that will be about it. They're not interested in a war right now and frankly they don't need it to win anything. They've got it made in the shade by stealing intellectual property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    If NK provokes anyone or initiates anything, China will wipe their hands clean of Kim Jong Un and see what happens when it is all said and done. They may give them money or food, but that will be about it. They're not interested in a war right now and frankly they don't need it to win anything. They've got it made in the shade by stealing intellectual property.
    I'm 99% in agreement with this. The only thing that worries me about China (at least in reference to Korea) is their need to maintain a buffer between their border and a unified pro-U.S. Korea which is the likely result should war actually occur.

    Maybe they would diplomatically push for a smaller, puppet state NK?




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    CNN had the former US Ambassador to S. Korea on last night saying the WH should be talking to China and not N. Korea since they control N. Korea.

    A former REar Admiral and national security advisor said they always do this when they want something and we usually give it to them and they go away for a while til the next time.

    But the title of the program was THE N. KOREAN CRISIS.

    Someone is watching.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ncraven View Post
    yeah our... Layout of the land would make it very difficult for this country to be invaded.


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    For those taking this as a grain of a salt, it looks like N. Korea does have nuke capability.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...6pLid%3D297242




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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    For those taking this as a grain of a salt, it looks like N. Korea does have nuke capability.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...6pLid%3D297242
    just like iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

    Honestly I think our intertwined economies with china are kind of making us defacto allies. as we go they go. I think their president (?), said basically in so little words that, they dont want us over there, but they really dont want NK to make us be over there. Thats basically what it comes down to. we keep an eye from afar China will handle it for us, especially if NK provokes us. We come in and force the issue like weve been doing lately, China will back NK. at the end of the day i dont see much happening. it certainly could, but it would be stupidity at an epic proportion on either side to come to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    just like iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

    Honestly I think our intertwined economies with china are kind of making us defacto allies. as we go they go. I think their president (?), said basically in so little words that, they dont want us over there, but they really dont want NK to make us be over there. Thats basically what it comes down to. we keep an eye from afar China will handle it for us, especially if NK provokes us. We come in and force the issue like weve been doing lately, China will back NK. at the end of the day i dont see much happening. it certainly could, but it would be stupidity at an epic proportion on either side to come to that.
    Agreed.

    Now the saber rattling from NK is that Japan is on their nuke list.

    Its hard to find a closer ally to the US than Japan. NK would be utterly decimated if they launched something toward them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    just like iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

    Honestly I think our intertwined economies with china are kind of making us defacto allies. as we go they go. I think their president (?), said basically in so little words that, they dont want us over there, but they really dont want NK to make us be over there. Thats basically what it comes down to. we keep an eye from afar China will handle it for us, especially if NK provokes us. We come in and force the issue like weve been doing lately, China will back NK. at the end of the day i dont see much happening. it certainly could, but it would be stupidity at an epic proportion on either side to come to that.
    Just like all the stuff they buried in the Syrian desert and dumped in the Euphrates River.

    My agency has a nuke physics dept and the ARmy sent them to Bagdad to sweep their nuclear center for contamination. There was none but they did have a nuke center so they were plannning on getting one.

    Israel knocked out the previous nuke reactor in 1981. You guys must have missed Operation Opera.


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    And again, China owns trillions of our debt. In short, they own us and their economy is passing ours.

    Nothing will stop them from defending their puppet again if we strike. It's 1950 all over again only worse because nukes will be used on both sides. We were the only ones that had them before.
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