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    Current players that need to prove themselves this coming season



    Doss

    Jimmy Smith

    Cody (maybe too far gone?)

    List others you think.




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    Re: Current players that need to prove themselves this coming season

    RE: Jimmy Smith

    Glad to see this:
    “I’m really excited about Jimmy [Smith, CB],” Pees said. “I know there’s been some things written and said and I’m not in agreement with very many of them. I think this guy is going to be an outstanding player. He’s got the size, the speed, the range, he’s an intelligent football player. … I think those [Super Bowl] plays right there are gonna go an awful long way for him. I think he’s a tremendous talent. I’ve seen a difference in him already here in the offseason. This guy has been around here all winter.” [105.7 The Fan]
    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/...3-35d31308b694




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    Re: Current players that need to prove themselves this coming season

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Now THAT'S what I want to see and hear!!
    Confidence is a HUGE part of the NFL.
    It directly effects performance.




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    Gradkowski




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    WRs all over the place...Torrey is a good WR, but he needs to prove he can be a #1 target now. His contract is coming up in 2015, so we need to know if we can truly "afford" to pay him the type of money he'll be asking for.

    Dickson. Dickson was a good role player in the SB season, but with his UFA status next year, he'll need to show he could contribute even more if he wants a good contract

    Oher, KO, Gradkowski, at their respective positions. I think KO proved himself last year, but we need to make sure in Year 2 he continues developing into the big time talent we expect him to be. Gradkowski needs to show he can truly replace what Birk gave us. Oher seems to be a long term answer somewhere on the OL to the Front Office, but I think he needs to show clear results at ONE spot on the line consistently.

    Cody...for him, it's a matter of show he can play in the NFL. At this rate, he may not even have a 2014 team at all, much less on a good contract.

    Bynes and McClellan. Seems that the front office would rather play these guys at the "other ILB" spot (assuming McClain starts at the other spot, or a drafted rookie/Bynes/McClellan fight for two spots), so show us they can make it with an expanded role

    Upshaw. We have Dumervil and Suggs, but you have a chance to make it so we have the luxury of possibly moving one of them next year or the year after.

    Jimmy Smith for sure. And Webb to a lesser extent, simply because he needs to prove he can come back from the 2nd ACL.

    Christian Thompson and Omar Brown. Enough said.
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    Re: Current players that need to prove themselves this coming season

    Quote Originally Posted by sopranocorleone View Post
    Gradkowski
    First one to come to mind.

    Jameel McClean
    Albert McClellan
    "Screw it, let's ride"!




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    Re: Current players that need to prove themselves this coming season

    Jameel McClean, eh?
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    Re: Current players that need to prove themselves this coming season

    Here is a simplified way of looking at the Ravens roster in 2013:


    Ascending players (24): Osemele, Gradkowski, Torrey, D.Thompson, Doss, Streeter, L. Williams, Pierce, Rainey, Bynes, McClellan, Upshaw, Christian Thompson, Omar Brown, Chykie Brown, Jimmy Smith, Tyson, Hall, McPhee, Jah Reid, Harewood, Tyrod Taylor, Art Jones, Asa Jackson

    Descending players (5): Ayanbadejo, J. McClain, Ngata, Suggs, Canty. Note that Ngata and Suggs declining is likely from All-Pro status to mere Pro Bowl level. I think Canty might be slightly declining, but that doesn't mean he's still not effective at what he does, just more limited in scope of what he can do on the field....sorta like JJ his last two years in Bmore.

    Possible declining player (3): Rice, Webb, Koch

    About stationary (11): Yanda, Oher, Spears, Huff, David Reed, Ihedigbo, Dumervil, Pitta, Leach, Tucker, Cox

    Hard to rate (4):
    Flacco ---ascending over his regular season efforts, but no way he's ascending over his post-Caldwell playoff levels since they were legendary

    Jacoby Jones---could see him going either way. Initially I thought he was more likely to descend than ascend, given how awesome he was down the stretch. However, given a bigger role from scrimmage, I could see him going up as well.

    Corey Graham--hard to improve over last year, particularly as a lifetime role player, but I think there is room for ascension if he can show he can play that well over an entire season.

    Ed Dickson---I think there is a chance he could go either way. He could catch 50 balls or drop into a guy that the Ravens shed no tears over parting with in 2014.

    Who knows/Cares???? (1) Cody




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    Re: Current players that need to prove themselves this coming season

    Last year, I would estimate that the the ratio of players on the upward swing of their career versus a downward swing was far, far worse......

    .....and we haven't even gotten to our draft yet.




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    Re: Current players that need to prove themselves this coming season

    Depends on what you mean by "prove themselves". Are we talking players on the fringe who need to show progress/good play or else they'll be out at the end of year? Or just players who may be new/young getting their first chances?

    In that first category, I'd say Doss, Cody, and Dickson. J Smith needs to show improvement and become more consistent as well, but there is of course no way they part with him right now even if he struggles.

    The second category is a much broader one and includes most of the young players who have already been named. Gino, Thompson, Brown, Bynes, etc.




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    Michael Oher. He's in a contract year, and he needs to show the team that he should be part of the future. Doss is certainly on this list, as is Jimmy Smith. Good post.




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    Re: Current players that need to prove themselves this coming season

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhcforlife View Post
    Depends on what you mean by "prove themselves". Are we talking players on the fringe who need to show progress/good play or else they'll be out at the end of year? Or just players who may be new/young getting their first chances?

    In that first category, I'd say Doss, Cody, and Dickson. J Smith needs to show improvement and become more consistent as well, but there is of course no way they part with him right now even if he struggles.

    The second category is a much broader one and includes most of the young players who have already been named. Gino, Thompson, Brown, Bynes, etc.
    In my mind I was referring to players that people expected to be good but so far haven't really reached that level.

    I don't think anyone here thought Bynes is going to turn into Ray Lewis.

    But there were/are high hopes for Jimmy Smith (1st rd pick).

    We heard over and over about Doss and his hands and him being a Boldin replacement. They gave him decent chances last year (when he wasn't injured) and he mostly flopped.

    Cody was a 2nd rd. pick.

    I am not talking about guys like Gradkowski because he hasn't even been given a shot yet.

    I am talking more about guys that have been expected to perform and really haven't grasped the moment. Guys that could potentially be wearing out their welcome if they don't turn things around.

    But any comments are welcome.




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    Doss, Doss, and Doss. If he fails to improve, our passing attack might be in serious trouble.
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    Re: Current players that need to prove themselves this coming season

    Here's the thing though. For all the younger players it is an up or out deal. Maybe not up or out in one year but if they don't improve then, yeah the team wil look for better players. For instance take a look at ILB, a position that outsiders correctly see as an area that needs improvement. Now for McClellan and Bynes not to get passed by and let go, they needed to show something last year and the more they shoed the less likely the FO would think that they needed to draft a high draft pick. As it turned out McClellan definitely showed something to the point that even a high round draft pick might not start over him (and instead start over McClain possibly). Bynes showed promise but not enough to keep the team from drafting someone who will be ahead of him int he depth chart. McClain? He has to show this year that he's back to his 2011 form or he'll get passed by-cut next year.

    Gradkowski had to show improvement last year on the practice field or else the team was gonna target a center fairly high. For him that final meaningless regular season game vs the Bengals and especially Geno Atkins, was huge-and as far as I can tell he passed that test with flying colors. So this draft look for center to be targeted in the late rounds if the team doesn't feel like one of their other guys can't slide over easily cause the center position is Gino's.

    Cody obviously is on a do or die year. Smith pretty much is too but the team has high hopes for him obviously. Plus he moved ahead of Brown in the NE playoff game. For Chylke, who I know folks here (some) are high on, did he show enough last year to not have the team pick a 2nd day CB as BPA and thus knock him down in the depth chart? Getting passed by Smith is not a good thing for him. Jury's out on that one but it will be telling if the Ravens draft a CB by round 4.

    Pitta obviously is playing for a big free agent bonanza. Dickson is playing for that at one extreme or more likely earning a decent second contract either with the Ravens or not.

    Graham and Oher are like Pitta-a great year gives him a nice payday next winter-very possibly not with the Ravens though. With Oher in mind, the team will be looking hard at Jah Reid: if Oher leaves could Reid move into RT?

    The WR's outside of Torrey: yeah they all have to step up if they want to stay around next year or even this year cause WR is a likely high draft pick and possibly the team might draft two of 'em.

    One could go on but for a bunch of the players this year is setting up to be a pivotal one in terms of their future employment with the team and the league.




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    Re: Current players that need to prove themselves this coming season

    You could list so many players like for most teams,

    DL- Jones or McPhee (how good can they be)

    Hall and Tyson (can they grow over a year to be impact players)

    LB McCllellan Bynes (obvious are the NFL starters

    CB Graham (was best CB on team after Webb went down...playing for big contract or just an average guy)
    Smith (can he stay healthy and focussed)
    Jackson, Brown, other Brown and Thompson (what are they?)

    OL Reid( what's his deal, player or not?)
    Gradkowski (obvious)
    Harewood (what is deal, is he an NFL player or last on the bench guy)
    Oher---not going to count him. We know what we got, an average RT. If he hasnt done it by now
    he wont
    WR Reed (can he stay healthy? play the slot, the guy has moves and ability needs focus and chances)
    Doss (make or break year)
    Thompson ( lots of potential year of coaching, let's see what happens)

    TE Dickson (his contract year...I think he has a good year, with Pitta moving to the slot in likelyhood) My breakout guy.

    RB Peirce ( tons of ability, better RB than Rice, but can he stay healthy and take the next leap, he gets dinged up a lot in games is my concern, had same issue in college)




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