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    Could the Ravens pass on Minter?



    I would like Minter... but Ozzie could pass up on him if there is another player that is better. Here are the other options that I wrote up:

    http://russellstreetreport.com/looki...e-ravens-take/

    I personally like the safety positon option.




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    Re: Could the Ravens pass on Minter?

    The Ravens value game tape and overall college production, over the scouting combine, among other factors. They've had certain players viewed with first round grades in the past, that many on the board would not have viewed with a first round grade. Torrey Smith comes to mind.

    When you look at his college production and game tape, Minter checks out more for what they would ask their ILB to do than Ogletree and is more pro ready than Te'o.

    How many guys have we seen that lacked the athleticism (Mainly speed) that we message board posters desire, only for the Ravens to draft them. Terrell Suggs, Ed Reed, Jarret Johnson and many others. It hasn't been a mere case of only taking those guys in the later rounds either. Suggs and Reed were both first round picks. It's more of a possibility that he is a Raven than some want to admit, because he does not flash the athleticism they feel this defense needs.

    However, you can be sure that he will be one of the considerations at 32 and will certainly be one of the considerations in a trade-back scenario.
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    Re: Could the Ravens pass on Minter?

    I have thought for awhile that the Ravens would draft an OT in the first round, but I could also see them going for a safety. I think they will wait until the second round to draft an ILB. They may have to trade up in the second round to get a good one though. I really like Arthur Brown even more than Minter. However, now I am beginning to see some mock drafts that show Brown going in the first round. I still think that the ILBs will go in the second round.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profil...own?id=2539245




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    Re: Could the Ravens pass on Minter?

    I hope that Minter is not even in the discussion for the 1st round. He is not an impact defender.

    I watched four full games doing nothing but paying attention to Minter.

    I watched LSU vs. Washington, Florida, Texas A&M, and Alabama.

    I don't see what there is to be excited about regarding Kevin Minter.

    I saw a lot of drag-down tackles. I saw a lot of the ol' "College Jog" halfheartedly "chasing" the play from behind. I saw a lot of him getting trapped in the garbage at the Line of Scrimmage. I saw a lot of RBs making it around the edge in the run game. I saw a lot of FBs, TEs, and O-Lineman completely neutralizing Minter with simple positional blocking.

    Versus Florida where he was credited with 20 tackles and had two sacks, the sacks came on back-to-back plays where the scheme by LSU's front four left Minter untouched en route to the QB. He forced a fumble in that game which is uncredited in his stat line...not sure why. That was a good play, but it was 8-10 yards downfield after the ballcarrier was spinning away from a would-be arm-tackler who was clinging to a handful of jersey.

    Versus Texas A&M, I saw him make two good plays on Manziel when Minter was in a spy role...but his INT came on a pass that ricocheted off a (wide open) receiver's shoulder-pad right into Minter's hands five yards away where he was covering no one despite that particular receiver coming straight into Minter's zone.

    This is not to say that I think Kevin Minter is a bad football player. He isn't. He is rarely ever off his feet...he's very stout at the point of attack. He gets stood up and walled off far more than cut or pancaked. He makes tackles. If he has a shot at the ballcarrier, most of the time he does bring him down...but he looks slow on film (and ran slow at the combine...tried to find his 10-yard split, but was unable), he gets washed out of WAY too many plays, he looks awkward in coverage (playing almost exclusively zone...VERY few instances where he was in man), and he doesn't flash as an athlete when you're watching the game...if he wasn't a short little fire-plug looking guy who always lines up dead in the middle of the defense, it would be tough to pick him out pre / post-snap.

    The NFL Draft Advisory board gave Minter a 3rd round grade before he decided to come out, and I think that's about right for him as a player. He is much more like Ed Hartwell than Ray Lewis...and that's not to say that ANY Linebacker who comes out has a chance to fill Ray's shoes (especially not two months after he retired), but Minter (to me) looks like a 2-down ILB, and not even a dominant one at that.

    We need someone, and if Minter turns out to be the guy, I'll get on board and hope for the best, but I'd be much more excited to see him drafted in the 3rd or 4th round than at #32.




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    Re: Could the Ravens pass on Minter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I have thought for awhile that the Ravens would draft an OT in the first round, but I could also see them going for a safety. I think they will wait until the second round to draft an ILB. They may have to trade up in the second round to get a good one though. I really like Arthur Brown even more than Minter. However, now I am beginning to see some mock drafts that show Brown going in the first round. I still think that the ILBs will go in the second round.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profil...own?id=2539245
    I agree.

    I just don't see any ILB's worth a first round pick.
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    Re: Could the Ravens pass on Minter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I really like Arthur Brown even more than Minter. However, now I am beginning to see some mock drafts that show Brown going in the first round.
    Brown is my favorite of the ILBs, and I think he fits well with what it seems like we're trying to do Defensively going forward.

    The reason I think that you're seeing him in the 1st round (besides him deserving to be a 1st round pick...which I think he does) is that Brown can play ILB in a 34, but he could also play WLB in a 4-3. He is versatile in regards to the scheme he fits, and he's a REALLY good player.

    We'll see how it goes. Like I said...whomever the choice ends up being, I'll get on board, because Ozzie has forgotten more than I'll ever know, but I am hoping for Brown, and would not be particularly excited to see Minter's name called at #32.




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    Re: Could the Ravens pass on Minter?

    I damn sure hope they do. Hate the pick




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    Re: Could the Ravens pass on Minter?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeWedra View Post
    I would like Minter... but Ozzie could pass up on him if there is another player that is better. Here are the other options that I wrote up:

    http://russellstreetreport.com/looki...e-ravens-take/

    I personally like the safety positon option.
    Well written article, thanks for sharing
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    Re: Could the Ravens pass on Minter?

    That LSU defensive line was deeper than deep last year. Next season everyone is going to be drooling over DT Anthony Johnson who looks like the second coming of Suh. 4 starters from last year could be gone in the first 2 days of this draft. Even some of the backup D-lineman are going to be drafted. That's who Minter had in front of him. That's not happening in the NFL.

    By the way, nice article by Joe but I have 1 disagreement. I like Eric Reid a lot and hope the Ravens do end up with him but he's very similar to Bernard Pollard. Reid is a violent hitter but not that good in coverage. He's smart though and I expect him to improve in that area with experience.
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    Re: Could the Ravens pass on Minter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I have thought for awhile that the Ravens would draft an OT in the first round....
    Just curious here -- who would you see the Ravens taking in the first round as OT? I keep hearing how there are only three first-round caliber OT's --Joeckel, Fisher, and Johnson -and they are all expected to be gone in the top 15 by every mock I've seen. I don't pretend to be an expert on the college prospects, but who do you see as being worthy at 32 (or the mid-to-late 20's in a trade-up scenario)?




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    Re: Could the Ravens pass on Minter?

    Quote Originally Posted by trailhiker85 View Post
    Just curious here -- who would you see the Ravens taking in the first round as OT? I keep hearing how there are only three first-round caliber OT's --Joeckel, Fisher, and Johnson -and they are all expected to be gone in the top 15 by every mock I've seen. I don't pretend to be an expert on the college prospects, but who do you see as being worthy at 32 (or the mid-to-late 20's in a trade-up scenario)?
    That's an excellent question. That 4th guy is DJ Fluker and most mocks I see have him going before the Ravens pick as well. I've even seen ones where the 5th guy Menelik Watson is gone before the Ravens pick. Neither Watson nor Kyle Long are that exciting in round 1. I don't see Fluker as a LT in the NFL which makes him tough to draft given how many RTs are already on this team. I'd rather get a Jordan Mills on day 3 than invest a 1st rounder in guys who will be available near where we pick.
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    Re: Could the Ravens pass on Minter?

    End of the 1st round possible picks

    Safety? Outside of Vacarro, no other safety warrants a 1st round grade. It's a deep group, just not in round 1.

    OT's- Possibly Watson; depends on if Ozzie sees him as that good and that's open for question.

    ILB's- Perhaps Ogletree or Brown are worth a 1st round grade. Te'o and Minter aren't. Then you got some decent second choice ILB's in Alonzo and Bostic.

    WR- This position might have the most options at the end of the first round, depending on how the draft shakes out. Austin and Patterson are most likely gone but Allen and Hopkins could both be there.

    DT- Love to know the Ravens' take on a few of these guys like Short or Jesse Williams.




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