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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.



    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    That's a bit unfair to continue to put down those upset with Ozzie this offseason . . .
    But it's not unfair to chuckle at those who are wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth in March because a few moves didn't go the way they wanted them to go. It's ridiculous to use the word disastrous to describe the off season to this point.

    And it's not unfair to chuckle at those who think because the Ravens don't have a LT in March they are going to automatically put Oher back at LT and that will result in a lost season. Might it turn out that way? I don't know, but I do know that the roster is hardly set prior to the draft and that the team is going to look different in August than it does today.




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    Yes it is. And if one of those people were you, I'm sure you'd be complaining that you are entitled to your opinion.

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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    Ozzie wasn't lucky, he was opportunistic.

    Dummervil wasn't Plan A, no question, but he was looking at Harrison, and probably considering Osi or Freeney to help with the pass rush. Any of those signings would have been helpful, even if we had to hold our noses for Harrison. I think Ozzie has planned from day 1 to address ILB in the draft, and put together a lot of young players with those 12 picks(though I suspect we wind up drafting maybe 8 at most).

    Dummervil then fell into our laps, and Ozzie was like "ooh piece of candy!". He jumped all over it knowing he could address our pass rush more long term with one of the best in the NFL rather than the stopgap solution of the others while grooming someone from this year or next year's draft.

    If he makes the right moves, signing Huff, drafting ILB and safety, this team is going to be a lot better than people might think. The offense is going to continue on it's course and be very formidable. The defense is going to be vastly improved over last year's version.

    What makes anyone think he won't make the right moves? I guarantee he addresses the holes, in the most prudent, and yes, opportunistic way possible.

    And I guarantee the Ravens win the AFCN in 2013 if he does.
    Indeed. It wasn't worth the high dollar to secure the guys the Ravens lost, as they either were overrated, aging, or flat out overpriced. You can call it "luck" to get Dumervil, but quite frankly Harrison or Freeney would have provided a likely upgrade opposite of Suggs from what Kruger brought.

    This team already looks more well rounded from the one that just won the Super Bowl. It is more stout defensively with a better pass rush, and that will be firmly solidified when Oz either drafts or signs another ILB. Boldin had a great postseason, but Doss, Reed, Streeter, or someone drafted can provide most of what he brought in the regular season.




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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.

    LOL, we just signed our biggest name on the market since 2006, and people still wanna whine about a disastrous offseason even though we re-signed Flacco, it could have been a whole lot worse tagging him. Nobody is slobbing over Ozzie here, but nearly every move so far has made sense, apart from maybe the Pollard move which is very debatable.

    Fact is Canty, Spears, and Dumervil holds better value than keeping Boldin.
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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.

    Well I can say I didn't see this signing come. I was think Harrison or maybe Freeney as back up plans. Anyway, what a great surprise. We should be solid up front. Ozzie been rolling for a while now. I sure he seen this offseason coming for a couple years now. I'm super proud of being a Ravens fan knowing we got a world champion (twice ) FO. makes me feel good that they will make the hard right or wrong Decisions. We won this Off season when we signed Flacco for the long haul. Gotta have a QB period.

    But great job Oz, and can wait to see the masterpiece complete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I personally think the offense is finally set, I think we have all the pieces in place, minus a solid Z possession receiver (which we lost in Boldin obviously), I think the Ravens will come out of the draft with somebody to compete with Doss, and Jacoby. Torrey will assume the X receiver role, and will likely be Flacco's number 1 target this year. I actually expect to see mostly two TE sets like we did back in 2011 because of the loss of Boldin. We also have the ability to run the ball and run the clock with Rice Leach, and Pierce. We have a pretty damn good run blocking Oline with KO and Yanda in the middle, if we can get McKinnie re-signed, we'll probably have one of the better Olines in the game, if not a top 5 unit as it was in the play offs.

    Boldin was traded to get the cap space to sign Canty, and Doom. Boldin was money in the play offs, no question, but signing Canty, Spears, and Doom holds greater overall value than keeping Boldin IMO. The offense can survive without Boldin, and there were games when Flacco played really well without Boldin being a major factor, I really think the FO are extremely confident with Torrey Smith too.

    The defense needed upgrading. The national media can flap their gums all day about what we've lost, but facts are, we were the 17th ranked defense last year, and we needed new and better players bought in. We got an upgrade over Paul Kruger with a 4th round comp pick thrown in, and we got a major upgrade on the biggest weakness of our team last year, the defensive line. I would not be surprised at all if we came back with a top 10 defense this year. It wont be as emotional or have as much energy without Reed and Ray Lewis, but it will probably be a much more athletic and speedier defense, that will be able to get to the QB, and that's the probity in todays league.

    I know that we've lost a lot, but we've also gained a lot this offseason, as well as keeping Joe. Now we could be signing Michael Huff, and McKinnie is still out there and has been talking with Harbaugh, if we can get both of them, we could be looking at one of the most complete teams we've had in a while. Ozzie also has 12 picks to work with, and will take the BPA at key positions.

    In OZ we trust!
    I think this is a great post!

    I agree with everything and you really made sense out of the Boldin trade for me. I mean I get why we did it but the way you put it makes the sting of losing Q a little bit easier.

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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    That's a bit unfair to continue to put down those upset with Ozzie this offseason when you think about the fact that Dumerville being released really was a stroke of dumb luck. Otherwise we're sitting with a big hole in pass rush which Ozzie might have had to fill with the same type of aging end-of-his-career player that everyone says some of the guys we let go were (minus Kruger and Ellerbe who were young but not going to get what they got elsewhere).

    Let's not pretend Ozzie was making all this cap room on the chance that Dumerville was going to get cut. And at the cap friendliness of this deal tells me we could have not cut anyone and still signed him, so that's not it either.

    We are still very unknown at safety and ILB, and LT for that matter. So before we continue to mock those that have issue with Ozzie over the players that are gone, try to see their side of it. Our defense is still far from set, though the line now is.
    You are right that it was lucky that Elvis became available. Ozzie jumped at the chance to add Elvis because he was going to need to add someone like Elvis next year when they have to cut Suggs. He probably would have added an older pass rush specialist on a 1 year deal otherwise but that is really all that the Ravens needed. They did not need a high end pass rusher.

    Every year it looks like the Ravens have a hole somewhere and Ozzie plugs it. It may not always be with the people that the fans want but when the season rolls around he has the team in a position to compete.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Fact is Canty, Spears, and Dumervil holds better value than keeping Boldin.
    Dig it. Not planned but the FO was ready for the opportunity.
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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Love it ... and stealing it!
    Already did!!! (although I think the word "f*cking" should be interjected in their somewhere...maybe multiple places...)




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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.

    The Boldin trade made perfect sense, it just sucked to see a recent hero for us go. But Ozzie has said numerous times, it's about what a player is going to be going forward, not necessarily what he has done for us in the past. Boldin was having more trouble getting open than ever this year, and he isn't getting younger. Joe was throwing him open, and well, shit, taking a lot of chances on some 1 on 1 matchups. You can't keep expecting Q to keep making plays like that. Those are so precise, a fraction off here or there and it's disaster. Torrey is ready to be that #1 guy, and Boldin refused to take a pay cut to stay in what likely would have been a reduced role.




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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I get a genuine laugh when people sum up the team at the start of free agency or before the draft. The word "disastrous" is especially amusing.

    Now throw in Ozzie bashing on top of it and I can really get a giggle going.

    Yes, it was luck. But the proof is in his methods. Because he runs a smart cap, we were in the position to pounce on such a lucky opportunity. THAT is what sets Ozzie apart. THAT is why he deserves praise.

    We don't see eye-to-eye on a lot, but you hit the nail on the head here. This is a disastrous offseason? Really? Anyone who feels that way a) rushes to judgment far too easily and b) hasn't been paying attention to past offseasons.

    So far this offseason, we've lost the following players:

    1) Kruger (age 27, 15.5 career sacks in 4 years)
    2) Ellerbe (age 27, 14 career starts in 4 years)
    3) Ray Lewis (retired, age 38)
    4) Matt Birk (retired, age 37)
    5) Boldin (age 33 in Oct)
    6) Reed (35 in Aug)
    7) Cary Williams (age 28)
    8) Pollard (age 28)

    We've resigned 4 solid depth guys, all of whom figure to make the 2013 squad, at very team-friendly contracts:

    1) David Reed (age 26)
    2) Morgan Cox (age 27)
    3) Ramon Harewood (age 27)
    4) Ihedigbo (age 29)

    We've signed 3 free agents:

    1) Dumervil (age 29, 75 career starts)
    2) Canty (age 30, 95 career starts)
    3) Spears (age 30, 79 career starts)


    People who complain about the Raven offseason really leave me scratching my head. When you have three starters who are approaching ages 38, 37, and 35, what do you expect to happen? Do you think the team is going to reach out and sign all three to come back and start? When you have 3 guys that old, bringing them back for sizeable contracts causes far more harm and risk than good. Raven fans who were paying attention knew that all three of those guys weren't going to be members of the 2013 team. Same with Cary Williams. We knew he was a goner as well.

    So, really, if you dissect the numbers of our offseason so far, we've lost three guys who we probably would have preferred to keep had the price been right (Ellerbe, Kruger, Boldin). Ellerbe and Kruger got ridiculous, cap-killing contracts with other organizations that a successful franchise like the Ravens would never have offered. Neither player had the on-field pedigree to warrant anything near that type of money, so the Ravens let them go. I can't see how you can really get upset by that. The Boldin thing was tough, but the reality is that had we kept Boldin at his $6 mill base salary for this season, we probably wouldn't have had the room for Dumervil. Even if we had found room for both, our offseason would be over right now. As it stands without Boldin, we still have room for 2-3 more incoming free agents with our $5.5-$6m in free cap space.

    Pollard is a non-factor because his release really wasn't cap motivated.

    The uninformed, immature fan looks at the gross numbers of the situation (8 players lost, 3 players gained) and thinks the wheels are coming off. In reality, we've had a great free agency so far. We've put together arguably the best DL/OLB group in the entire league and still have plenty of room to enhance other areas.




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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    Ozzie wasn't lucky, he was opportunistic.
    Perfectly put. If Newsome had been a jittery, sign-someone-for-the-heck-of-it type of GM like they have in Miami, CLE, etc, we wouldn't have been able to make a play for Dumervil in the first place.

    Were we lucky that a player that good became available after a lot of teams had blown their free agency wad? Certainly! Do you create a bit of that luck by not rushing to overpay people in the first 2-3 days of free agency. Absolutely!




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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    The uninformed, immature fan looks at the gross numbers of the situation (8 players lost, 3 players gained) and thinks the wheels are coming off.
    Totally agreed with you up to here.

    I don't think those fans are uninformed and certainly not immature. They simply are a tad more emotional in their analysis than others.
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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.

    I'm sure this came up in another thread somewhere along the line, but this shows the genius of Newsome.

    Paul Kruger: age 27, 15.5 career sacks, 5 years-$40.4 million with Cleveland, $8.1 2013 cap figure

    Elvis Dumervil: age 29, 63.5 career sacks, 5 years-$35 million with Baltimore, $2.5 2013 cap figure




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    Re: Ozzie isn't rebuilding this team, he's upgrading the defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Totally agreed with you up to here.

    I don't think those fans are uninformed and certainly not immature. They simply are a tad more emotional in their analysis than others.
    Eh, politically correct answer

    Wouldn't you think the ability to not rush to judgment and to not let emotions overwhelm logic were functions of maturity though? (devil's advocate)




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