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    Re: Coming Year extension for Michael Oher



    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    I think they'll work something out and I hope they do, but if another teams wants to over pay him, he's gone.

    He may not be another Ogden but he starts every game and can play other positions in a pinch. He's a solid Olineman to keep on the team.
    Being dependable is something Oher can hang his hat on and he seems to be a good team guy. Being a good left tackle however is something he is not. Signing and keeping him at right tackle would make sense. But Ozzie doesn't over pay so I suspect he'll leave next year to a team with more money than sense.




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    Re: Coming Year extension for Michael Oher

    The most important thing is whether Oher & his agent & (maybe most importantly) Mamma Tuohy still think he is NFL-starting caliber at LT. My guess is they do & will want that reflected in a new or extended contract. I very much doubt that the Ravens agree & will offer him (slightly) above-average RT money. In which case Michael walks & Oz collects the comp pick.

    The only way to disabuse them of the notion is to have Oher start at LT this year & underachieve. (Even losing out to another LT won't do it--there'd be suspicions if not outright accusations that the competition was rigged because of the contract status.) I highly doubt that the Ravens would put their $120 million dollar QB at risk just to prove that point. So odds are we say sayonara to Michael after this season.




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    Re: Coming Year extension for Michael Oher

    He is serviceable at best even at RT. He just isnt very good, if he wasnt a first round pick we wouldn't likely be having this discussion. Yes, he can play LT in a pinch or move inside, but to me he isnt worth breaking the bank over. He is durable I will give him that. For the right place keep him.




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    Re: Coming Year extension for Michael Oher

    Nobody has mentioned Oher's durability. The guy has played like 99.9% of all offensive snaps since his very first day as a pro.

    As a LT, I don't think he's one of the 5-6 worst. I would say he's a bit below average though. As a RT, I don't think he's "average at best". I think he's well above average, bordering on very good.

    It's simply going to come down to money. In the case of Oher, I think the Ravens know who he is as a player better than anyone. You get a guy who is inconsistent from game-to-game, but as a big picture, is rock solid and dependable as a RT. I don't think the Ravens are going to better evaluate who he is in year #5 with any more insight than years 1-4. For that reason, if they see him in their long term plans, let's just get him signed now before he even sniffs free agency and has his price tag go up.

    Give the guy 5 years/$26 million with a nice signing bonus and about $10-12 guaranteed, and that is a win/win for both teams. If Jake Long, an elite LT, gets 4/36 on the open market, giving Oher, an above average RT, 5/26 a year before free agency seems reasonable.




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    Re: Coming Year extension for Michael Oher

    Oher isn't just a baller..he's a Harballer, and probably our starting left tackle next season. He's not going anywhere.




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    Re: Coming Year extension for Michael Oher

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDaniel View Post
    Nobody has mentioned Oher's durability. The guy has played like 99.9% of all offensive snaps since his very first day as a pro.

    As a LT, I don't think he's one of the 5-6 worst. I would say he's a bit below average though. As a RT, I don't think he's "average at best". I think he's well above average, bordering on very good.

    It's simply going to come down to money. In the case of Oher, I think the Ravens know who he is as a player better than anyone. You get a guy who is inconsistent from game-to-game, but as a big picture, is rock solid and dependable as a RT. I don't think the Ravens are going to better evaluate who he is in year #5 with any more insight than years 1-4. For that reason, if they see him in their long term plans, let's just get him signed now before he even sniffs free agency and has his price tag go up.

    Give the guy 5 years/$26 million with a nice signing bonus and about $10-12 guaranteed, and that is a win/win for both teams. If Jake Long, an elite LT, gets 4/36 on the open market, giving Oher, an above average RT, 5/26 a year before free agency seems reasonable.
    I think you have some "blind side" glasses on...

    There is no way he is close to average on the Left... and he hasn't been much above average on the right since his rookie year. He has not improved 1 IOTA as a pro... Penalty machine that finished 3rd in sacks allowed last season. Only teh pair of Arizona tackles performed worse, left or right. I believe he was also 3rd in pressures allowed to the same pair of tackles. Graded poorly at RT during the postseason, albeit with short notice he would be playign the position.

    Your contract thoughts aren't entirely out of left field, but IMo too much. Winston got 5/22 last offseason and was at the time MUCH mroe highly thought of as a RT. He was also cut after one year. Vollmer should be one to watch, as he's a FAR, FAR better RT, and in his limited action at LT has also clearly outperformed Big MIke. Even considering his injury issues, I wouldn't think Oher would be worth more then 80% of what Vollmer gets. At best he's 80% the player.




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    Re: Coming Year extension for Michael Oher

    He's terrible on the left side and average on the right side. I think that some people buy too much into the hype that he was a first round pick, so he must be good. Supposedly, he has a very good work ethic, but it hasn't made him any better. He works his but off while McKinney sips mojitos by the pool and shows up late for training camp, but McKinney is still, by far, the better player.




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    Re: Coming Year extension for Michael Oher

    Quote Originally Posted by ctulb View Post
    He'll get starting LT money somewhere - too many teams need one - and I just don't see us offering him that kind of money unless his play markedly improves to the point where the front office think it's worth it.
    I don't know how we are NOT one of those teams that needs one. We may pay him because we may have no choice. Solid starting LT's are like solid starting QB's. Half the league doesn't have one. They are very hard to get. When you pick as late as we always pick (not that I'm complaining) you are not going to get one of the 'can't miss' guys. And they don't come on the market in free agency unless they have some questions (Jake Long.)

    So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Michael is still here. Where else are we getting one? McKinnie? This year's draft? Developing Jah Reid, KO, or Ramon Freaking Harewood?
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    Re: Coming Year extension for Michael Oher

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    I don't know how we are NOT one of those teams that needs one. We may pay him because we may have no choice. Solid starting LT's are like solid starting QB's. Half the league doesn't have one. They are very hard to get. When you pick as late as we always pick (not that I'm complaining) you are not going to get one of the 'can't miss' guys. And they don't come on the market in free agency unless they have some questions (Jake Long.)

    So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Michael is still here. Where else are we getting one? McKinnie? This year's draft? Developing Jah Reid, KO, or Ramon Freaking Harewood?
    If we have Oher there, we still don't have anywhere near a solid left tackle.




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    Re: Coming Year extension for Michael Oher

    Just in case anyone missed it, here's Filmstudy's grading on Oher;

    Michael Oher
    2012 Role: Starting LT for the regular season, Starting RT for the playoffs (1,256 snaps, 98%).
    What was there to like about his season? He was an iron man, playing the most offensive snaps of any Raven.
    When did he play best? Von Miller wreaked havoc across the Ravens’ front, but Oher handled him well in the divisional game at Denver.
    When did he play poorly? He lowest 6 scores among his starts at LT were all in the .50’s, so picking the worst of those is like choosing the worst episode of Three’s Company. In a listless season finale versus the Bengals, he missed 13 blocks and allowed 2.5 sacks in action split between LT and RT, but several of the Ravens linemen didn’t look like they were trying that day.
    What was the matchup he most dominated? Oher’s best performance of the regular season came in week 10 versus the Raiders when he handled (primarily) Andre Carter as the Ravens cruised to a 55-20 win. He scored a .85 that game, but otherwise did not score over .77 during the regular season.
    What does he need to do better? He needs to rediscover the block-to-the-whistle physicality which made him an effective RT in his rookie year. As a pass blocker, he’s always had the advantage of timing mechanisms the Ravens have employed with Birk at center that helped him get off quickly. It will be interesting to see if those will still be in place with Gradkowski. During the regular season, I charged him with a total of 11.17 sacks. PFF does not score them as I do, but they show only the Arizona turnstiles (Batiste and Massie) as tackles that allowed more sacks than Oher during the regular season. There were another handful of tackles who had more sacks allowed per snap played.
    Grades: Play D+, Value D-, Developmental D. If I were to break down his play grade, I’d say he was a D- at LT and a C+ at RT. His aggregate score was .64 in his 16 starts at LT, but .76 in his 4 playoff starts at RT. His set of circumstances has never been easy and 2012 was no different with no good blocking TEs and a weak group of LGs playing next to him prior to the playoffs, but I don’t see any reason to project success at LT prospectively




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