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Thread: Player collusion in Seattle?
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04-04-2013, 10:47 AM #133
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Re: Player collusion in Seattle?
This stuff now is the tip of the iceberg. It is in the early early stages.
Maybe it turns out to be nothing. Maybe it turns out to be something.
I started this thread almost a month ago in early free agency and the core issue of my suspicions is gradually being validated by people in the industry.
Yet I continue to catch heat daily as if I was way off base in my original thoughts.
Aaron Wilson has inside sources. He posts reliable news. Weeks ago he posted about agents and the "c" word. I don't see anyone busting his balls. Now just yesterday we see clear action by the NFLPA. And yet people dismiss it, instead of viewing it as another piece of support of the original premise of the thread. Another piece of the puzzle.
It reminds me of when that random dude started a thread about Suggs blowing out his Achilles way before any media outlet and everyone called BS. Then BAM!...it was true. Anyone else remember that thread here? The guy was ridiculed. Until it was shown he was right.Last edited by bt12483; 04-04-2013 at 11:01 AM.
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Re: Player collusion in Seattle?
Zing? No joke there, just my observation after reading this thread
Bout as much as you have, nothing really.
Just bored on slow work day, and getting a rise out of watching you trying to defend the indefensible.
Why would I spend my time doing that, just because agents have no other reason than to tell their d-lineman clients, you play the wrong side of the ball for a big contract?
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I have not read through the whole thread but if the last few pages are an example of the "heat" you've been getting, I think it's more from you passing conjecture and bias agent rhetoric off as evidence.
Agents (and the union) love to use the word collusion. A successful collusion claim would mean more money in their pocket so their bias, inherently, is against the league in terms of contract matters.
Just because an agent got a reporter (who is affiliated in a union himself) to reprint a collusion speculation is light years away from proof it exists or tangible evidence.
By your own admission, this is the tip of the iceberg. By definition then, there's speculation and nothing else at this point.
But I agree with GOTA. It's a worthwhile debate. But if past threads about the CBA and the players union are a guide, you're not going to find many who agree with you.
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Re: Player collusion in Seattle?
Okay, in all seriousness, this is why I started to comment on this thread. Aaron Wilson's sources about the Ravens or players moves do not validate what D. Smith is saying simply because Aaron tweeted D. Smith is suspicious.
The two have nothing to do with each other.
A bit of a stretch, just a bit.
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04-04-2013, 11:06 AM #138
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i haven't seen anyone directly attack you, you're just getting super defensive because not many believe what amounts to nothing but lots and lots of repeated speculation from a couple of agents (who would obviously benefit greatly if collusion were able to be proven) and a credible sports writer who said what amounts to, 'yea i heard this from this guy,'. not damning evidence by any stretch. i personally think the story could grow some legs at some point, if only because i'm a paranoid bastard and when a group of rich and powerful people with common interests (i.e., owners) could have a chance to get together and increase both their power and wealth within their realm the chances are pretty good they'd at least think about it. at this stage though? it's gonna take more than an agent and a sports writer in able for someone to claim, 'validation'.
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Re: Player collusion in Seattle?
Follow the chronology of the thread.
On 3/14 I suspected collusion.
On 3/18 Aaron Wilson first posted about suspected collusion.
On 3/28 I heard agent Tony Agnone complain about collusion.
On 4/3 the NFLPA issues a letter asking agents to divulge info re: collusion.
I mentioned this idea of collusion before the media ever came out with it.
Yet I've added nothing.
Your lack of knowledge on the topic hinders your understanding. I is not so simple.
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Re: Player collusion in Seattle?
Aaron Wilson:
Lot of agents using C word, collusion, when discussing free agency patterns and trends. Very tough to prove, and it's a buyers' market
7:54 AM - 18 Mar 13
4/3:
NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith has told agents that the union has “heard reports of a concern that teams are working in concert” to “set” player compensation, NFL Network’s Albert Breer reported Wednesday.
No. Nothing to do with each other at all...
If you fucking paid attention you would see the Aaron Wilson tweet predated the comments from D Smith by WEEKS.
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04-04-2013, 11:35 AM #144
Re: Player collusion in Seattle?
So much for playing the "taking shit" card.
Keep telling yourself that. Quoting a bunch of people who say "hey, I wonder if there's any collusion going on", or posting that a union guy says he's had "reports of a concern" (that's priceless) aren't much of a contribution. And posting a reporter's quote of something you've already posted doesn't mean it counts twice.
Look, you want to do something useful? Look at the top salaries last year for FA's and players who were entering the last year of their contract and signed an extension. Leave out players who reworked to reduce their cap hit. Then do the same for this year, and post both sets of numbers.
Frankly, spouting conspiracy theories while being too lazy to do any analysis is a really bad sign, whether you're going to be a lawyer or any other kind of professional."This space for rent" - Roger Goodell
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